Marina
My fourth and fifth year at the Academy were relatively uneventful, except for a couple of occurrences that I shall note in this little monologue of mine.
First, my tutoring of Alincia ended up bearing fruit, as she ended up reaching Master-level just a couple months ago. Just as I had predicted, she reached it by learning how to cast a Fire-element Master-level spell.
I would take little to no credit to that however, as I knew how hard she had worked on it, not just with me but on her own as well. At night, she would train in the Academy training grounds on her own, casting spells after spells after spells until she was completely exhausted. In fact, she would even overdo herself so much that she fainted on the spot, only waking up the next morning. I told her not to but she wouldn’t listen. It was as if she was a completely different person than her usual, happy-go-lucky self who never put much effort in her studies.
I knew perfectly well why she applied herself so much however.
She was preparing herself. For her future confrontation against her sister's murderer. Especially after Elun returned with the grim news of her failure.
I still remembered the day the news came. It was around the middle of my fourth year where Alincia came to me and told me of their meeting. The bubble mage and her subordinates had sprung a trap and ambushed her. She only had a single knight to protect her, so they believed it was the perfect moment—the golden chance to strike at her.
Little did they know that they had severely underestimated the abilities of said knight, and the abilities of the necromancer as well.
Felicia never had the need to go all out in a fight before, and judging by her records in the academy, she was not that impressive of a mage. She had no Master-level spells under her belt, so she should not be a threat to Elun and her subordinates who were all Master-level mages.
Only for her to reveal her impressive prowess in Dark-element magic, leaping far beyond what the academy knew about her capabilities. She already reached Master-level in the element, and it took them entirely by surprise.
They didn’t know whether she reached that level once she left the Academy, or she had just been hiding her true capabilities all this time, pretending to be an average mage in her academy days. Elun even suspected that she might intentionally kill Merinda and her cronies using alchemy, just to hide the fact that she was already that adept at Dark Magic.
And then there was the matter of the knight as well. They had investigated him beforehand but found no particular credentials or history that showed he was more than the average elite knight at best—nothing that they couldn’t handle.
Only for him to display a sword skill that was far beyond their expectations. With a defensive, counter-oriented style, none of their attacks could land on Felicia as long as he was still standing.
Their ambush failed completely, and Elun lost every single one of her subordinates, with her being the only one who managed to escape.
As a result of the disaster, she was now relieved of her task. The Council had decided that for the time being, they would let the necromancer be.
Alincia said that the normally cheerful Elun looked haggard and disheveled as she told her story. Her last words were for her not to pursue Felicia if she valued her life.
And naturally, she still refused to tell which kingdom the necromancer belonged to.
This didn’t stop Alincia however. It only rekindled the flame in her heart, which led to her trying so very hard to learn magic for the past year and a half.
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Another big event that occured was me receiving my first love confession.
From who else—Thomas Marjoram, the hobbit that had been stalking me around since second year. It seemed he decided to just drop the innocent pretense and went all out in his offense.
And to make it worse, he had to do it in public as well. As I was returning back to my dorm after having lunch, he walked up to me and kneeled on one knee, offering what I could only assume to be an engagement ring as he confessed his undying love and loyalty to me. I still remembered his exact words even now.
“Oh, Marina, my beautiful goddess! If you would deem this poor hobbit worthy enough of your love, then I swear to you that I would forever be loyal to you and worship the ground that you walk on!”
I didn’t know from which bardic poem he stole those sentences from, but I knew that I would never want to be proposed by such a terribly cheesy proclamation.
However, the other students had a different opinion. They instead clapped wildly and cheered at me to accept his proposal. It was as if we were a circus to them.
I was so embarrassed and humiliated that I lost my composure. My answer to him was to blast him with my wind spell before fleeing, all red faced in anger.
And this had terrible, awful consequences on my social life. I, who had recovered from being a pariah from Merinda’s actions, was now returning on becoming one. I was quickly characterized as a stuck-up and arrogant girl due to my response to that hobbit’s confession. He was actually relatively popular in the school, with many girls admiring him for his cuteness. And for me to trample on his love like that, it was the biggest crime possible in their eyes.
However, unlike with Merinda, I was now skilled enough to fight back. They might try to attack me with their magic, only to realize the gap between our skill.
It didn’t stop the pariah part however. It only made me become a feared personage as well. Just like how Merinda used to be. Only that I wasn’t loved by some as well. I could only sigh as the irony hit me.
I was angry enough to tell his admirers who attacked me that he was a pervert who went to brothels to have girls pretend to be his big sisters.
"Really?"
"Kyaah, so little Tom secretly has that kind of hobby!"
"Don't worry, little Tom! I'll be your big sister if you want!"
...Ah, right. This isn't the Holy Empire where going to brothels is considered a shameful thing. It isn't taboo for a man to unwind in such facilities after a hard day of work.
I suppose my disdain for it came from Mother, who was still somewhat a Milicis follower though she never frequented their churches. She told me never to tolerate unfaithful perverts ever since I was little.
Unfortunately, he didn’t stop there. He then tried to challenge me into a duel, saying that if he won, I would give him my hand in marriage.
Ignoring the fact that I didn’t approve such a method of proposing in the first place, he had no chance whatsoever against me. I defeated him with ease. He was certainly weaker than where Alincia was currently at.
And yet, he still declared that he wouldn’t give up, that he would train to get stronger and beat me eventually. He asked for me to wait until he matured and could be the husband that I wanted him to be.
I took a deep annoyed sigh, before telling him everything that was wrong of him, including the part where I saw him frequenting a brothel a year ago.
“Look, Thomas.” How long had it been since I called him by name? “First of all, I have no intention of marrying anytime soon. I have plans to become an adventurer once I finish my study here so I wouldn’t be settling down right away. Second, even if I do, I would never marry you in a million years. I saw what you did. You like to frequent those facilities in the red-light district, don’t you? And you make those girls call you their little brother. If I were to be rudely honest, that disgusts me to the core.”
When I said that, he flinched, as if I just slapped him with my words.
“I won’t ever marry a pervert like you. So give it up. Stop bothering me and find another girl to chase after. There are many older girls out there that are far more beautiful and attractive than I am after all.”
“N-no! I only like you and you alone, Marina!” He shouted, before averting his gaze. “I-it’s true that I originally only approached you because Grandmother told me to. But after seeing you for so long, before I know, I… I really have fallen in love with you!” He shouted again, returning his gaze back to me. “I-it’s a genuine, honest-to-goodness love! I love how you’re so calm and composed at all times! And I love how smart and skilled you are at magic! A-and everytime I catch a glimpse of your smile, my heart flutters in joy! I want to make you happy, Marina! No, I will make you happy! I promise you that! I-it’s fine if you still want to be an adventurer! W-we can go together! I-if you’re there with me, I would no doubt have the strength to go against what Grandmother tells me to!”
This kid… he’s…
He’s not lying, is he?
For once, I felt something genuine coming out of his mouth.
Perhaps I had misjudged him a little.
“Unfortunately, I have no such feelings towards you,” I replied coldly. Even if he might actually be in love with me, I had no desire to be with him. Not in the slightest. So it would be better to drill it into his head to just give up and find another girl to woo.
“J-just give me a chance to prove myself to you, p-please!”
“There’s nothing to prove,” I quickly replied. “If you think love is about proving anything, then that’s another reason why you wouldn’t be compatible with me.”
Call me a fool if you want, but I believed in the love those boards loved to sing about—the kind of love that was irrational, the kind of love that occured at first sight. If I ever fell in love, it would be with someone I couldn't help but think about day and night, worrying how he was and how he perceived me. I would want to have his everything, while giving myself entirely in return. It would be that kind of deep and intimate love.
With that said, I left him behind, but not without him having the last word.
"I'll make you fall in love with me, Marina! I promise!"
What an idiot… he doesn't understand me at all…
Afterwards, I told everything that had occurred to Hugo via letter, even if I didn’t really want to. I had promised him to tell everything after all.
When I got his return letter, as I predicted, he passionately wrote how he would go here and teach the hobbit a lesson if he kept bothering me. I giggled reading it, feeling happy that he cared so much, but I refused, telling him that I was perfectly fine on my own. What kind of a big sister would I be if I have to get my little brother defending me?
Not to mention that, to my pleasant surprise, he stopped his advances towards me entirely, making me wonder if he had really given up for real.
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My fourth year then ended, and I returned home for the summer, as usual.
Proudly, I demonstrated to Hugo how I had mastered my third Master-level spell, Rainstorm. I beat him to it after all. Although, I couldn’t help but feel bad, knowing that he still had yet reached his first Master-level spell. He said he had a plan for the kind of spell he wanted to make, but he refused to tell me, saying that he wanted to keep the surprise, that silly boy.
Well, it was time for him to have his own secrets that he couldn’t tell even to his big sister. Just one more year until he’s ten after all.
Me mastering Rainstorm at the opportune moment as well, since this summer was unusually dry, causing a drought that threatened the crops of the villagers under Father’s care. With my spell, it wasn’t a problem anymore, though the villagers praised me as if I was their saviour, which quite embarrassed me. I didn’t feel like I had done something particularly worthy of such praises after all.
It was a quiet summer overall, with nothing else that would be noteworthy enough to talk about.
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I returned back to my fifth year at the academy. And I was certainly approaching that date of graduation that I looked forward to.
Technically, I could graduate earlier if I wanted, since I already had three Master-level spells under my belt (and one would already be enough), but I figured it would just be a waste. Father had paid good money for me to enroll in this place after all. And besides, I still wanted to be by Alincia’s side. The girl could still use me as a friend and I certainly enjoyed her company.
Though if after Hugo’s tenth birthday, he begged me to just start adventuring with him, I might just consider it.
Like I had said before in the start of this monologue, Alincia learned her first Master-level spell at this year, though at the end of it. According to her, her big sister also learned her first Master-level spell at that point, which made her grin ear to ear. She was clearly happy that she could follow on her sister’s footsteps.
There was one big and notable thing that occured in this year, and that was the invitation of the parents of the fifth year students to come in and talk to the teachers at the academy. Officially, it was done to ask how they would like their children’s future career prospects be, as for our last year, the lessons would be completely focused to really be about said career, depending on the student’s aspiration.
There were many career options available to a mage. Ignoring the obvious thing of becoming an adventurer, which the academy didn’t even count as a career option since to them, there was no stability nor prestige on it, you could become the Magocracy’s mage soldiers, or, if you were more skilled, you could become the Council’s elite guards. There was also an option to become a Council member’s personal guard, if there was an opening. As for non combat roles, you could become a construction mage who used Earth magic to build houses and other structures. Or as a fisherman mage who used Water magic to catch fishes. Mind you, not everything was done through magic in this country, since even though it’s called the Magocracy, there were still many of its citizens who couldn’t use magic in the slightest.
Naturally, my parents were also called in as well, so I wrote them a letter, telling them to come and visit.
And two weeks later, they indeed did. But not just Father and Mother, but also Hugo and even Erika, who they believed to be sufficiently old enough to weather a long two-week journey on a carriage like that.
Unfortunately, the academy didn’t really have any extra rooms that the parents could use to sleep in, so they had to rent an inn outside of academy grounds.
Still, I was delighted that they were coming, especially since the exception of Father, this was their very first visit here. Unlike some other kids who were easily homesick, I was fine just visiting them once per year at the holidays.
Little did I know that it wouldn’t be just the teachers that they would be meeting.
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Hugo
When I first read Marina’s letter saying how Father and Mother were invited to come to the Academy, I was ecstatic. After all, it could only mean one thing.
Another family trip! But this time, we’re not going to the mountains, but to Marina’s school instead! The capital of the Magocracy, Mira! A place like that should be filled with all sorts of magical stuff, right? I can’t wait!
Although, when I asked Marina about it, she told me that the city wasn’t really that different from Aarom, only that it was larger and it had a great pitch black wall surrounding it made out of magical obsidian. And some minor magical things in the academy grounds. It’s nothing spectacular like in the magic cities in those fictions we liked to read. It’s not a city in the sky, nor does it have an army of golems patrolling around in the streets.
Even so, my excitement still remained. I felt that she was just being her usual characteristic self that rarely got excited over anything.
And it’s the perfect birthday present too… if the date we were told to come was two months later, that is. Not that this world had that kind of tradition. Or at least, not in this part of the world.
Argh, what rotten luck! Just two more months until I could register as an adventurer! If I was already ten, we could have our first quest together there!
...Then again, I had promised Sherry to wait for her before we go on any quests. Just one more year until Marina graduates and she returns. And I certainly don’t intend to break that promise.
“Mother, I can come too, right?” I asked after I showed her the letter, giving her the best hopeful smile that I could muster.
“Hehe, of course you can!” She giggled. She clearly was happy by the news. “In fact, I think our whole family can come together! Even little Erika! I believe she’s old enough for such a trip. Though knowing her, she’ll probably cry and scream a lot during it…” She let out a sigh.
Ah, right. That girl gets easily bored after all.
“Don’t worry, Mother! I’ll be there to calm her down!” I patted my chest, switching to a confident smile.
I sure hope I can. Or else this fun trip would be hell instead. Urgh, she can get really loud if she doesn’t get what she wants…
Why bad reviews? yes your story is quite similar with Mushoku Tensei. but hey unlike other novels its good to read & not headache Inducing & more over there is character & romantic development which I love.
The only concern I have is the eminent drama that will come & how to prepare My heart to read it.
And most of all the intense hope of Marine being included as official harem member.... Yes I'm simple individual.
People don't like the tease with Marina apparently.
Also the fact that the story's pretty cliche so far and that MC is lusting after underaged girls' body, which are all valid points.
Tsk people..what with those hate? Seriously? This is just a story! A just a fantasy!... Heck recently people even make Demon(from hell) good guys while god is the bad guy in their story.
And most of all those insane racist Chinese novels yet all of it is perfectly fine for them...
And most of all Marina is such a Waifu!! She is a such heroine she is likable due to those teasing nature of her! Lol XD ahahaha
@Reciful I certainly had fun writing her teasing scenes.
Im reading this chapter right now and thiking, does this mean Marina is going to be on the harem, since its been eliminated from RR?
Well, even on the most recent chapter, it is still yet to be decided.
Sorry to hear about RR, don't know how they are for an author, but as a reader they are pretty bad.
Wasn't Hugo supposed to have a swordsmanship instructor already ? I'd expect he also made some progress on other parts of magic as well not to mention his combined combat art.
BTW still rooting for the necromancer girl.
Wasn't Hugo supposed to have a swordsmanship instructor already ?
No. I told you they would make their appearance after Hugo starts his travels.
BTW still rooting for the necromancer girl.
You'll get a chapter from her POV soon enough.
SO THATS WHY IT DISSAPEARED IN RR. Fckng selective puritans.
Wait a minute, what do you mean his family will die??!! No no no, im here to escape reality not enhance it!
@ForestDweller
about time this impure novel was expunged form the pure and chase RR.... (this is obviously a horribly bad joke that would play better spoken with oozing amounts sarcasm)
isn't it possible for you to have left say 3-ish chapter on RR and removed the rest and link another site you post on? (like this one) might be an idea if the first few chapters are SJW acceptable.
about the story itself though, you already know i'm against the long time skips considering just how plain good this story is with it's slower pacing. and i know nearly all of us are eager for the adventuring to start, but these time skips feel slightly rushed no? and sure it can be said that that's the purpose of time skipping... but i don't have to like it ok!
also random idea but could you write more about hugo's general interactions and current intimacy levels with his parents over the 2 skipped over years? also a few lines here and there about hugo's progress with his training is a good idea so we're constantly aware of what all he's capable of. i know nearly all of us are eagerly anticipating the start of his adventuring, but i think in order to REALLY drive home what comes next the story still needs to slow cooked rather than be put in a microwave.
that being said though i do appreciate how you already tried, and are trying to, avoid time skipping without any events happening at all. thus the marina POV chap we have here. so your efforts are not un-noticed... just that i wish there was even less time skipping.
isn't it possible for you to have left say 3-ish chapter on RR and removed the rest and link another site you post on? (like this one) might be an idea if the first few chapters are SJW acceptable.
Honestly, the early chapters gave a lot of people the wrong impression on how this story would progress. They thought this is just loli incest smut.
also random idea but could you write more about hugo's general interactions and current intimacy levels with his parents over the 2 skipped over years?
What is the to write about? Hugo's intimacy with his parents is the same. Good as it has always been.
also a few lines here and there about hugo's progress with his training is a good idea so we're constantly aware of what all he's capable of
I already did in this chapter. He still hasn't reached Master-level yet, and he's now switching gears on focusing on a certain Wind spell he has in his mind.
just that i wish there was even less time skipping
I don't have any meaningful plot points to fill the gap unfortunately.
@ForestDweller
i'm pretty sure half if not more of your readers were initially drawn to your story because of the possibility of that... (myself included) the reason's we stay though is entirely because you have pretty damn good character development. or at least i do for that reason.
for what to write about in regards to the parents, well i'm not 100% sure myself. you have most of their interactions covered, or at least refereed to in some recent chapters. so probably just more generic interactions, maybe a bit more Q&A on random topics? some more of their history or the things they do regularly?
ah yes you did, i think that part was worded a little funny so i thought it was to marina's friend. (might just be my sleepy brain missing it)
Proudly, I demonstrated how I had mastered my third Master-level spell, Rainstorm. I beat him to it after all. I couldn't help but feel bad, knowing that he still had to get to his first Master-level spell. He said he had a plan for the kind of spell he wanted to make, but he refused to tell me, saying that he wanted to keep the surprise, that silly boy.
yep, could i ask that you add hugo's name in the second sentence? it just scene changed after all reaffirming the subject of a sentence is generally a good thing in these cases.
i know nearly all the major plot points have been done, and that's why i'm struggling to come up with a lot of good ideas too... however i feel the childhood arc should continue with it's slow pacing, it just fits too damn well just before sh*t gets real. i'm not sure if it's because of how it might mesh with hugo's mindset of safety/security and complacency or what but i very much feel that to make this arc the best it can be (with the direction it's going in in mind) is to take things slow. i almost want to say turtle pace slow but i think we can easily skip weeks or a month here and there... hell writing about how board and/or frustrated (because of his lack of results of his training for two years) hugo is with a chapter or two worth of content might give you an idea. maybe a chapter for each of his parent's with their daily stuff and how they think when interacting with hugo daily? just a couple 1 day chapters to paint the picture a little better how these 2 years went by? i donno, i'm greedy.
also i want the tragedy of loss to be just THAT heavy hitting. we readers should feel hugo's distraught state with our whole bodies type thing.
that is unless you decide to change things and have the repercussions be lessened. maybe by hobbit grand kid trying to play mediator or something? i'm spitballing again, this chapter randomly gave me that idea with how Thomas is more of a redeemable character than we were initially led to believe. thus having him try and keep the family of the girl he loves alive might not be out of character. *shrug*
heck another random idea is to keep the father alive (but have him lose an arm) the mother die (or get trapped in ice/sleep whatever), thus giving cause to the father slowly spiraling to being a drunk. though i'm not quite sure if it's in his character. i feel like main cast of hugo, sherry, and marina aside there's been a lack of char dev with the parents in comparison.
hmm maybe that could be an idea to build off of when they do die, say half a chapter for each parent when their life flashes before their eyes type thing.
but then again that could be me just wanting the tragedy to be all the more intense. ideally i'd want each tragedy to hit us as hard as if our MC hugo died... i'm horrible i know.
@loshi1505 Generic interactions? Q&A? I'm not sure what you mean by those. I feel their characterization and interaction with Hugo are already done well enough by these 30+ so chapters, so there's no need for me to give more daily life stuff that wouldn't advance the plot or give out new information.
Also, yeah, that sentence could've been clearer. Sorry. I wrote it when it was like two in the morning.
Hopefully, I'll be able to do that just through Hugo's POV. That's also another reason why I sent Sherry off, so that there would be no one to comfort him.
I probably won't do a life flashback of his parents as their backstory would come from Hugo's yet to be introduced distant relatives and/or Myrilla.
I don't think they really needed character development since they're just there to give Hugo a comfortable starting home before the story proper.
Also, that idea of yours just reminds me of what Mushoku Tensei did with Paul and Zenith. It really was smart, what the author did, using them with each sisters like that with the Metastasis (which is in itself a f*cking genius and original idea that I've never seen done before in an isekai), giving them each their own stories, and then ending their roles in the story to progress the plot. Paul died so that Roxy would become Rudeus' wife, and Zenith's vegetative state leads to the whole miko arc with the grandmother.
I don't have a plan like that. That's another reason why I made Marina. Because she could be the one taking care of Erika once the split happens. And my plan of Hugo getting a girl wouldn't rely on him being so depressed he cheats on his pregnant wife and then sleeps with another girl before returning back home, begging for the new girl to become his second wife.
His birth family would end there, and he would have to make a new family with his harem.
While we're bringing up Mushoku Tensei, I don't know how long Vol 1 was but I felt this story was already longer than that. Vol 2 was still childhood but Rudeus is at Eris' home so he interacts with all new people. Then sh*t happens at the end that leads to Vol 3. Don't you get bored with Hugo just stuck with the same people to interact with for this long?
I won't lie. I want the journey to start soon because I want to write about the other girls, not just Marina and Sherry. They would take a break off the spotlight for a while.
@ForestDweller
i guess they are, it could just be me that feels that it's unsatisfying with only the amount of character development they currently have. i just think that even as a reincarnated person the parents would still be most of the world to them, thus having them at least half as developed as the main cast would be suitable. personally i think as they are right now both parents are about 1/3rd or 1/4th as developed as the main cast. thus a bit more would go a long way.
yea, your comment made me realize just how similar my suggestion was to mushoku.
yes! the fluidity of plot points in conjugation with character's side stories and how they tie in was one of mushoku's best qualities. but honestly i do wish more time was spent on the early years both for mushoku and your novel here. in mushoku specifically the whole recovering from his trama and not leaving his house was kinda poorly done imo. mainly because his mother could have accomplished the same feat of reassurance and encouragement.. but then again i guess him being a perverted neet reincarnator prevents him from properly bonding with his family like a normal child would. thus roxy was needed to take on the mother role... another reason why i think reincarnation stories are generally not that well done, i think that even with past memories a reincarnator would still bond to their parents only a little less than a normal child would. well without putting them on a pedestal maybe? then again that's probably more dependent on the individual than i'd like to admit...
i also didn't care for the metastasis event nearly at all to begin with, even with the justification and explanation of it at the end of the webnovel version. so i very much prefer you're story's version of how the MC sets off on his adventure. (even if it is a bit cliche)
i do agree you have a larger amount of childhood arc content than MT does. however you built it into a slice of life pacing from get go, so it just feels awkward or wasteful for things to jump on ahead... well in my opinion anyways. as for your question of if i get board of hugo interacting with the same people for so long i respond, yes and no. yes in the sense of it's not new and shiny thus less outwardly appealing, but no in the sense of how much depth is there to explore? where is the end to a person's psyche? personally i think how you touch on these things makes you a great writer, if not a great writer in the making. thus i naturally want more.
as i said i'm greedy. i desire his parents to be very fleshed out, at least half as hugo himself. maybe even more since main characters can often be a tool for self inserts. not that this is the case with hugo, but in general, and commonly in isekai and other fantasy stories.
sure his parents don't need to be that in depth to accomplish the role you've going for, but it would absolutely make this story 5 or 10 times better than it currently is (imo). mainly because hugo himself would have a more defined and deeper connection to them i think... or is this one of my wrongful perception things again... hmm... idk but i can tell you one thing for me it seem like his sister's and sherry are the corner stones of hugo's world. thus at the moment it seems hugo is not nearly as connected to his parents as he is to them. or at least that's my take on where hugo's at emotional connection wise. thus leading me to desire more development for them.
on the harem establishment note, i figured you were going to have completely different methods of the harem being established. so i'm not too concerned about that right at the moment, that's at least 20 or 30 chapters or more from now i think.
also yes since marina and sherry are away this might very well be the perfect chance for hugo to deepen his bond with his parents even more. so while you and pretty much everyone else wants to move on with the story i'm the stubborn bastard that says there's still a couple loose ends to tie up first. so i'm kinda thinking to myself can we finish it in way that could make this arc the pillar of the story? maybe even the 'golden years' for hugo where to look back on near/at the end of the story?... so yeah, sorry if i'm pushy.
on the note of multi character story telling though, there's a reason code geass season 1 and 2 are one of my favorite anime series. that show has soo much content it actually needs to be re-watched 1-2 times to catch everything. another couple shows (non anime) that's comparable are season 1 of west world, the last kingdom, or season 1-5 of game of thrones.
@loshi1505
Character development means that a character evolves towards their future self, whether for better or for worse. But I don't really have that future planned for Hugo's parents. This is their end version, with their tragic death being their very last metaphorical quest as an adventurer. Myrilla, on the other hand—I already have a future version of her in my mind.
Any character development scenes that could occur would take place in their past, how they grew to become the people they are today.
idk but i can tell you one thing for me it seem like his sister's and sherry are the corner stones of hugo's world. thus at the moment it seems hugo is not nearly as connected to his parents as he is to them. or at least that's my take on where hugo's at emotional connection wise. thus leading me to desire more development for them.
That's what I'm going for from the start, because he's not a Daddy/Mommy's boy who clings on to them. Doesn't mean their death wouldn't hit him hard, especially since he would blame himself for it, due to his underlying low self-esteem, a carry over from his previous life.
maybe even the 'golden years' for hugo where to look back on near/at the end of the story?
This is it. This is the golden years. Ever since he was born, he has already been in his golden years. He'll look back to these past 10 years fondly in the future for sure.
the perfect chance for hugo to deepen his bond with his parents even more
His last bonding moments would be when they have their trip to rescue Marina. They knew exactly what they were doing, going up against a powerful person like Vera, and they knew there's a high chance they couldn't win and perish in the end. So I suppose you could wait for that.
I could do a plot dream of Hugo suddenly having nightmares of them dying, but that would be a big plot thing I would have to explain later. Because I'm not going to put plot nightmares without any legitimate in-universe reasoning. The readers would say it's a plot hole/convenience otherwise.
The Metastasis was great because it's the best kind of convenient "plot starter". We got so many plot points out of it. How Slyphy met with Ariel, leading to the throne war stuff much later on. How Paul got depressed, leading to Rudy beating the sh*t out of him, leading to Norn hating him, making her frustration of her own averageness and inadequacy in the magic academy arc even worsening, as everyone is praising how awesome Rudeus.
I don't really like how easy it was for Rudeus to take her out of her hikkikomori shell though. He barely had to say anything and it was just her who exploded into tears and hugged him.
It made Rudy get his magic eye, be acquainted with many different people, and it's certainly quite the epic start to a journey, being thrown into a dangerous continent like that (even if they ended up having demon guy be their guard).
Pretty clever too how the author prepared Rudy for it, from Roxy relating her race to the Supard race, warning him of the boogeyman and giving him her charm, to Roxy again telling him that it might be a good idea to learn their language and the Beast Language as well, another place Rudeus would interact with. It's totally done for the plot as Rudeus has always being pushed as "the clever and wise kid", ever since Vol 1, but it's done natural enough that I can forgive it.
Hugo wouldn't quite be like that unfortunately. He would rely more on the girls, at least at the start of his journey, with how he was. So the plot point where Eris left him because she felt she was dragging him down wouldn't happen.
Really, that whole POV of her was just heartbreaking to read. I couldn't help but find it quite a bad taste having Rudeus be that much better than her to the point that she nearly deified him. No wonder her tagline quote is "I'm only good for having babies with Rudy".
The only Code Geass stuff I have watched was the recent movie. And I loved it. I loved how flawed Lelouch was in it.
Haven't watched any of those western shows, unfortunately.
@ForestDweller
hmm, maybe character development isn't the word/phrase i was looking for... well doesn't matter as you got the gist of it. i'm just hoping for a slightly deeper parent child bond between hugo and his new family before they croak. really try and pull us into it ya know.
and yeah i know he's not a daddy/mama's boy. just thinking both we the readers and hugo himself could use a little extra to give way to his irrationality he'll be displaying later. but yeah i agree that dream premonition stuff should probably be left out. good to know you have some bonding planned before they confront vera, that eases my... err craving? a bit.
about MT
you said it, convenient plot starter. to me that's much too forced, it's like a nuke was dropped. that said i don't deny what the author did after it happened wasn't good. especially everything that happened once rudus started reuniting with his family again. and speaking of forced plot points future rudus coming back in time was pretty over the top too... less than the meta stasis imo but still too much.
i do agree that rudus had it much too easy getting norn out of her shell, maybe after like 2 or 3 more talks she might have a breakthrough like that. and probably only if more people than just rudus confronted her and talked about their issues in front of her as well.
also when eris left rudus it actually made me quite pissed at her, even with her reasoning and justification i feel one should always confide to their partner about their insecurities. but hey eris wouldn't be eris is she thought things through. her massive dedication described in future rudus' time line made me forgive her though. like sh*t girl, that's some dedication towards the one you love. (pretty much the only thing i liked about future rudus being a thing)
i think it's very much a good thing that you'll be having hugo rely on others for any long term skills he lacks, makes him more humanly flawed and less super genius that way. also adds to the realism. but that's also kinda why i desire his frustrations at being bottle-necked for 2 years to be described.
i highly encourage watching code geass: lelouch of the rebellion season 1 and 2. though i think i should mention that the movie you saw was based off the recent-ish rewrite movies. which were decently well done with all the plot holes they covered for the changes they made. the rewrite movies also expanded on suzaku's POV that was only briefly done in the seires... so in short i do recommend watching the series then the rewrite movies if you can, but if one over the other must be had the series takes precedence. i also suggest completely ignoring the buko no akito (or however the name went) shitfest OVA series that's supposed to take place between the two seasons.
code geass spoiler
shirley dies in the series where as in the rewrite movies she lives and the changes made to accommodate that are actually pretty amazing, but it changes lelouch's mindset at the ending bit in my opinion. and i don't think that was for the better. i honestly think shirley should've remained dead for lelouch's sake.
for the non-anime shows i mentioned game of thrones has a VERY disappointing last 3 seasons. season 1 of west world is fantastic, season 2 being a let down, and season 3 being just ok. last kingdom is remarkably consistent with it's quality that i think the entire series is very much worth a watch.
@loshi1505
I already planned on Hugo to discover his first Master-level before the confrontation, after this visit to the academy. I'll describe his frustrations there. Though it wouldn't be something super dramatic, since without competition like when Sherry was still around, he relaxes quite a bit.
Regarding MT:
I don't think they ever got to explain what the Metastasis really was. Even Orsted doesn't know.
If you think about it, future Rudeus being a thing means not only he got a second chance, but a third chance as well. What a lucky guy. Still, it's pretty delicious reading his downfall like that.
Yeah, I've read some complaints about Eris leaving being contrived. Or Rudeus marrying Roxy. Or him not realizing who Slyphy is for years.
Unfortunately, I'm not in the mood to watch any of that. I rarely got the time to watch anything these days, what with my neverending college assignments.
@ForestDweller
sounds fair enough.
MT talk
in the web novel the meta stasis event was explained at the very end of the series, in short it involved a miko of summoning who wanted to bring a dead otherworlder back to life (speculated to be one of nanahoshi's friends) via summoning them from a different point in time. thus leading to why nanahoshi and her other missing friend came to that world. also there was something about why and how rudus came to be a reincarnator as well.
i think there might've also be something about how said miko of summoning kept getting dragged along every time orsted when back in time too.
fair enough on not having enough time. though i think the simplest solution is to take less classes and pace yourself.
@loshi1505
The series just go full on time travel at the end, huh? Maybe even alternate realities.
Reminds me of Shield Hero's ending where
MC and his harem become what amount to immortal gods going around the multiverse having adventures and stuff, even visiting Earth in the process
Reading that, I'm glad MT ends with Rudeus dying.
Some people do like that kind of ending though. I already got comments wanting Sherry to not suffer the loneliness of having Hugo die of old age while she's still young. Which is understandable. But I feel it would defeat the purpose of the story.
Also, might have enough idea for a chapter or half chapter from Mary's POV. But I think I'm going to just save it for the extra chapter at the end of the arc.
@ForestDweller
actually rudus didn't die in the end, it was a hitogami vision of the current path of what the future would be.
also as i remember it only raphtalia and atla being immortal aside from MC. i think it was also stated that if MC and his two girls missed the others they could go back in time to see them...
mary's the maid right?
yea might be a good half chapter extra of the maid dealing with erika after the parents die.
@loshi1505 Yeah, I know. But it's pretty close. It would happen if he didn't get the information from the future. So that's another second chance cheat he got.
Ah, easy time travel. That never sits right with me.
Oh no, Mary's not going.
@ForestDweller
eh? the last one was more of a see what you did, now this is how your end will be type thing. basically him just throwing a tantrum and complaining. also considering how often the future changes in MT i take it with a grain of salt.
and yes the easy time travel was out of left field.
i didn't expect her to? i pictured it as she had to deal with erika near constant tantrums ever since marina brought the news home or something.
@loshi1505 I mean, if he hadn't known about the rat, his future would go down that route.
Marina will depart right away with Erika to their grandfather's place on the far northwest of the continent. They have to run from the Magocracy after all.
@ForestDweller
ah that part, i thought we were talking about the very end of the web novel. and yea, that did pretty much give rudus a third chance at life.
hmm is giving mary a bonus chapter even worth anything then? i'd think just a few lines of she had to be laid off or whatever would suffice in that case. that is unless she'll be a reoccurring character, like say she's hired by hugo, marina, or erika years later after everyone starts settling down.
@loshi1505
It's going to her retrospective of her experience working for the family all these years, and how she regrets not being able to help them further.
She's getting married, which is why Marina will tell her to stay. She has her own life as a normal villager and a housewife. A far different life than the one she will get if she goes with Marina.
@ForestDweller
i see, any chance we'll get a sneak peak at any future love interests hugo might have in a second extra chapter?
@loshi1505 What do you mean, sneak peek? Like an extra chapter for them? That's unlikely since Hugo would be meeting with them pretty soon after all. There would be no point.
Of course, you can just ask for spoilers from me.
@ForestDweller
mmm, was just wondering if we'd get a POV chapter for one of them before they meet hugo. probably describing their life up till now.
but with that said have you decided on who all is going to be in the harem as of yet? i assume it's still in a fluid state but you probably already have specifics in mind.
@loshi1505 I would only do that later when Hugo is close enough with them to get their backstory.
My mind is already quite made up for the remaining three. We'll see if it can change later though. Maybe some of them wouldn't be in the harem at the end, replaced by other new characters, but they still would be characters nonetheless.
@ForestDweller
mmm, i guess that works too.
yea, i figured as such. wanna list 'em to me? names, general skill sets, personality types?
also lets say you decide that marina and/or erika don't end up in the harem at/near the end. got any plans for who they might pair up with how they might live their lives while hugo settles down with his family?
@loshi1505
Here's their basic outline. I'm still holding back a lot here since I also have their backstory, their encounters with Hugo, how they fell for him, and how they would grow as a character partly planned out in my head.
1. Nicole
Holy Magic user. The cleric of the party.
Reserved and kind. Strongly believes in the Saint and the inevitability and acceptance of fate, a teaching of the Milicis Faith.
2. Still unnamed princess
Defensive-style sword user.
Proud and haughty, yet graceful at the same time. Going to be Hugo's sword tutor. Immune to embarrassment. Doesn't hesitate to slap or kick Hugo if she feels he has done something that makes him deserve that.
3. Felicia
Alchemist, dark magic user, and necromancer.
Seductive, and manipulative. Doesn't hesitate to do filthy things to achieve her goal. Has a soft spot under all that though.
As for Marina
Most likely with Thomas, after he transforms into a man worthy of her much later on. Don't have an idea on what career path she should take though.
And for Erika
She'll become a genius inventor that invents all sorts of magical machines, revolutionizing the world by advancing its technology. Don't have an idea for her partner yet.
@ForestDweller
interesting very interesting.
so technically speaking we already have a sneak peak at 2 of the 3 other harem members, or at least a love interests aside from sherry. didn't quite consider necro girl being one. and there will be an interesting dynamic between nicole and felicia.
btw do you plan for hugo to become a king if he marries the unnamed princess?
i think we need to know more about thomas first but it's good marina has another option regardless.
hmm on the erika note will you be giving her some POV chapters next arc so we can get a better grasp on her mental and emotional intricacies? i mean it sounds like she'll be going full lab nerd or evil genius inventor later on, but will we be witnessing her growth from marina's perspective or erika's own. actually never mind chances are you're gonna be doing both.
on the off chance you do decide for marina and/or erika to become harem members or at lease temporary love interests what are your plans for that? and i mean this in the sense of how would you go about each of them crossing the incestual line.
on another note do you have an out planed out for sherry if you decide she doesn't remain with hugo? i figure you don't have anyone else in mind for partner so might as well start here.
@loshi1505
It's either that, or him becoming a "consort" of her who would already be the queen at the time. So she rules alone unmarried while having Hugo as her unofficial husband. Because if Hugo becomes king, he would want the other girls to be queens as well.
Again, Erika isn't old enough for a POV. She'll only start getting it later.
Hmm, Erika can turn back to her brocon self after they made up while Marina would realize how jealous she was of Hugo's harem life, wanting to join in as well.
Sherry's out is her death. I can't see any other path.
@ForestDweller
mmm, king consort, that's pretty much the reverse gender equivalent of being a queen if i remember right. i could see that working out later on. as hugo currently is, the path to kingship would be a LONG one. so king consort does fit him better i think.
eh? that's why i said next arc... surely as a 3-4 year old she could start giving some POV chapters or segments at the least. but yea, good to know.
hmm, i thought there would be a bit more hesitation on both their parts for crossing that taboo thresh hold. i'd think the prerequisite of seeing hugo in a romantic light needs to come first before they decide to throw themselves at him.so yea, i'm talking about how they would convince themselves to cross that final line after developing romantic feelings.
ouch, poor sherry. or lucky sherry depending on perspective.
@loshi1505
Yeah, crossing that incest line is certainly something I have yet to plan.
@ForestDweller
well i'm sure you'll figure something out, even if it's not used or used in that manner. speaking of taboos though any ideas for some weird cultural taboos of this world hugo's in?
@loshi1505 ...No, not really.
@ForestDweller
welp, at least you got something to fiddle around with now before the end of this arc maybe? no maybe it's better if hugo comes across these things after? hmm...
@loshi1505 What things? I don't plan on adding any odd cultural taboos.
@ForestDweller
none at all? every culture on earth has some weird taboos. though to be fair they are usually tied to a religion or at least originated from one. so i guess that means hugo might only come into contact with some after he comes into contact with a certain religious girl.