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So I've taken down 140.
I'm still deciding if I'll post the alternate version or just put it elsewhere.
I'm going to think about it a few days and don't want to decide out of emotions felt by some of your behavior.
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Everyone has an opinion. And not everyone likes what an author writes or how he writes. That's part of it on both sides.
Rape is a very controversial topic, admittedly. And not digestible for everyone. Without a doubt. Would I classify the act as rape? Mind control and brainwashing is a step above drugs and violence for me. It's debatable, but that's the plot. As a non-english speaker, details escape me and I probably would have just asked if in doubt. Even if it is/was rape, I think it always depends on the context.
Would I throw a tantrum over it because the author wrote the story the way he thinks it is good? No. But I don't have to like it. And likewise, I don't have to demonize it either. I'm quite capable of expressing my opinion and criticism in an adult manner. s*x based on pheromones/drugs/mind control? Definitely condemnable in reality. In a story? Not at all.
But maybe I'm just sitting high on my steed in my ivory tower with my nose held high.
I've been writing with the author for a few years now, and even though we may not be the best buddies, I think he has his reasons for writing the way he does. (EDIT: means writing stories)
This is fiction, world is brutal and immoral. Why do people try to put todays law and morality on isekai fantasies. Killing is ok, but raping is not ? Are you stupid ? (snowflakes in comments should shut up and read my little pony or some other child friendly books)
if people actually read the whole thing to date they would not be able to say it was rape and not lie, also fox chose said abilities on him and told him to experiament and second he isnt human and since there is no such thing a perfect world and just how many people out there dont follow the law and should be in prision in this world seriously. also there are some really bad books out there that are actually rap that take place in a setting where that is illegal and i see them all the time and they are perfectly fine for sale and reading in the usa and accross most of the world and if you want a few names let me know and ill point you to the legal owned and operated world wide company that sales them and they are not the only ones and it a huge amount and one of the authors has like over a hundred of them under him alone (and they cant say no) and still writing the last time i checked, also they dont care even 1/100th of the amount shun mc cares about his harem/food as he is permenatly being turned into a race that exist off of a different subsentence then we do also not of this world and also i have seen the comments and they look suspiciously the same as the ones from another site. however i dont judge anyone but i have a simply philosophy and it is very simple you dont like then dont read it and no need to twist author words to mean something else also when you read a story you should be putting yourself into the mc's shoes per say and follow along but no one is perfect i get this however that also means that if you dont then you are very biased and didnt like the story to begin with and again no one is perfect i get this but let not be just like current day politics and read what we want to read and dont read what we dont like to read and lets stop with the hate and spread hate since you cant write your own favorite book story half as well if you can as the author of this series and i am really tired of ready post by people that dont seem to have read the story at all or if they did it seems like they were on drugs as they have badly mentioned things out of order and in most cases have misstated (you know who you are) what was posted by author but hey this is the opionion of a very simple guy that hates politics and lives at home in the basement in a one horse town and that said im going to sleep gotta water the plants in the morn.
why dont u use the original chapter 140 u wrote and posted on royalroad than?
Didn’t read it yet but can you satisfy curiosity of why? I imagine there was some reader outrage but outrage at what specifically?
Yea man why tho is it ntr?? Or something
Chapter contained a date rape scene
@harem-fan complained about it and announce that they where dropping the novel
@naosu cried censorship and that harem fan is a paid troll trying to ruin the novel, and that it couldn't be rape cause fox is more powerful than shun.
I got involved saying that harem fan opnion is only his opnion and him dropping the novel was civil enough. And that what the author describe in the chapter was in fact date rape, but not all readers are bothered by it.
Author, then went on a tirade that i was acusing him of being rapist (which i want to make clear i wasn't, only that he wrote date rape and that does no make him a rapist more than writting killing people makes him a murderer) and that the story follows eastern moral values instead of westerns, and how kissing in eastern values is more private (and i most admit don't see how that mattered but it was their argument)
And then this
Tl: DR
Chapter described "rape", author does not want the mc "raping". so possible rewrite "?"
@DocB I mean I read worse than rape I mean emergence is one and redo of the healer I mean its more or a epic torture story did you see that clip where he heats the rod flaming red and f*cks the girl as a dildo with it, also after reading your comment what author did doesn't really make sense to me if from his perspective mc didn't rape which he did (by readers explaination) mc is already having his pheremons mindf*ck them don't he (either by choice or not) I mean we all see how much guarded was the fox with mc even after accepting him as student only reason she became close as she was from pheremons with them I don't think the relationship would have progressed much from how deep were her grudges and how much time she spent getting almost rape all day everyday (in their time in the box)
For me I think it as a chance to progress the relationship where she would jot leave him even in difficult choices and blame himself (self pitying ) and apologize from how author wrote fox I don't believe she isn't going to make him take responsibility (again either she likes it or not) which to a women like her couldn't just move on after sleeping with yea so.. For me its a chance
@Surfing_Cipher Shun's "succubus kiss" ability has a minor daze-effect and his saliva doubles as aphrodisiac (standard incubus). original ch.140 has them testing out the "succubus kiss" skill on Fox without directly warning her he's going to kiss her. Fox herself knows about all of his abilities, already suggested to test his abilities and was only being surprise kissed, to properly test the effects. there was no rape(or even Fox-sex) involved, shun directly refused Asakura when she tempted shun to take fox when she was influenced.
Harem-Fan's comment immediately jumped to date-rape criminal accusations and complaints, completely off the mark/boat...
after that was a lot of back and forth which caused even more understandings and arguments.
@SnafuSam just a clarification, date-rape include just the act of drugging and doing nothing, it is more about taking away the victim ability to say "no" than whatever it is done after the drugs
@DocB I mean sure but at this point mc and fox are both drugged while mc is ready to go around and have s*x (in first early chapter we know he is a horny boi) only thing stopping him were moral restrains and fox is ready to get loose but for me her pride doesn't want/(maybe explain to her tribesmen ) so she wants to blame the drug(demon gene ) and have "FUN" u know what I mean huh ;) and make him take responsibility and if someone (tribesmen/sister) asked she says he took her in a accident and now he will take her as his responsibility we know fox is intelligent and her using a scheme to solve future problem is likely (weather it works or not )
@LuxInTenebris threatened to, didn't go through with it because she changed her tude. but yes indeed the redo of healer story had LOTS of rape in it. ironically the MC (a rapist himself) had a fairly optimistic (gentle-yet-unforgiving) mentality in a very bad world. there are several other examples of extreme evil rape in Redo of Healer, but lets not get too far into them.
@SnafuSam yea man I 100% agree let not open that can of hideous man eating worms
its not NTR but its technically more forceful than most vanilla type tropes in a way
@SnafuSam its because Shun himself doesnt want his harem to go through what they had to when the inventory box was owned by the previous owner he was adamant about that and wanting to build his harem out of people who are willing to join him.
@harem-fan what shun is doing ISNT TECHNICALLY RAPE buddy, he's testing his s*x demon abilities/powers just using Fox as his testbed WITHOUT actually SEXUALLY ASSAULTING DUDE; and tell if you were Shun would you want your enemy to be more wary and know that you're TRYING something that could mess with their mind?
@Gilgameskills and for us its actually starting to progress the "plot"