A familiar tail met my sight as I slowly walked toward my quarters. Anaise was fretfully pacing in the inner courtyard while constantly looking at the balcony of my bedroom.
Judging by the light inside and the sound of the guitar, both Irje and Yeva were inside. Yeva had a habit of extinguishing all light when she was alone. Not only she didn’t need it and didn’t want to waste the oil but she didn’t want the risk of open flame around herself for no reason.
The red tail swung back and forth, mesmerizing me with its movements. Begging to be touched.
I couldn’t say no to that.
A few silent steps and I pushed myself against a pillar, carefully watching my prey in action. Memorizing the patrol route of the enemy that kept my prize attached to her shapely behind. Her walking pattern had been sporadic, pensive with a slight curve that forced me to wonder if her Spark senses were guiding her to remain at a certain distance from my bedroom.
Most importantly, it was predictable.
I let her walk past my hiding spot twice, biding my time. Anaise stopped once again and turned around, her tail curving behind in a slow arc, both following the movements of her body and avoiding any disturbances in the air. Like a large fiery fish in the stream. I silently stepped outside making sure to stay outside of her field of vision. An easy task as her eyes were either glued to the balcony or her fidgeting hands.
My palm landed at the root of her tail and slid across its length, gently stroking the luxurious hair.
“A penny for your thoughts?”
Anaise shrieked loudly into my ear and I found myself dodging streams of fire and fingernails clawing at my face. “Erf!” She squealed as I wrapped her in my arms, preventing further acts of revenge and collateral damage to our estate, “Don’t scare me like that!”
“You were rather deep in thought, is something wrong?”
“Look, I…” She mumbled, her ears flat, “I need to talk to you—”
“Teasing your new wife?” Irje’s voice interrupted us from above. “I thought it was my turn today.”
Glancing up I saw the cougar leaning on the railing and watching us with an amused smirk on her face.
I shook my head as the werfox scowled in my arms, “Give us a moment, we are coming over soon.”
Irje chuckled waved me to hurry up and left us alone.
“You wanted to speak with me, alone.” I summarized to my bushy captive.
“I…” She sighed, “Yes, I wanted to speak to you in private about some… sensitive topics.”
“Is it something personal, between us, or a matter of the entire sadaq?”
“The latter.” Anaise confessed, “While I wanted to take time to breach this subject, I am afraid that my mother would raise the question when she will meet with you tomorrow.”
“Then we should discuss it together, all four of us.” I gently interrupted her.
“I am trying to make sure that it won’t cause a rash reaction from anyone. I don’t know them well enough to predict how they will act, but I know you and I know that you will be able to look at it with a sharp mind.”
“Anaise. They will learn about anything eventually, it is not a question of if but when. And I will not put them in a situation where we will inform them about a decision we made together. While I am blessed by my sadaq, I also have a burden to bear, to keep it united and strong. I understand your desire to prevent anything that could be said or done out of spite, but right now what we all need are unity and trust.
“I planned to talk about my abilities and past between us today. I could have argued that it might be safer for some of the knowledge to remain hidden both to avoid uncomfortable questions and possibly keep all of you safe. But I won’t because I want your trust, and I will never have it unless I am willing to trust you first. So, please, trust them.”
She sighed in my arms, “There is a reason why most of sadaq-at are one-way only, and I find myself wishing that yours was as well. It would have been much easier just to worry about our relationship, without constantly making sure that two more would have to agree with my actions.”
I hugged her shoulders and started to lead her upstairs, “I understand that. And yes I know that I am trying to shift the burden of mediation from me to everyone’s shoulders, despite receiving all of your affection in turn. But I am willing to learn if necessary and I want to rely on your help. About the latter part — no, you absolutely don’t have to agree with all of us on everything. Everyone is allowed to have an individual opinion as long as they all are respected and discussed in a peaceful manner.”
“There will be a time when such talks would lead nowhere.” Anaise shook her head.
“If I find it necessary I will intervene myself.” I tried my best to smoothen her puffed-up tail, “But I would prefer to have these who would stand beside me rather than behind. I am already stuck with a bunch of servants and a lamura of all things.”
XXX
We sat on our bed as Anaise paced in front of us and a thought occurred to me to make another room. I had something that resembled an office but it was more designed to meet others rather than have discussions with those I considered close. I needed a room with lounges and sofas but not in the middle of the estate and open to everyone, but private and secluded. Somewhere where we could all sit and talk among ourselves.
And carve the proper runes for security. Anaise already grumbled at the lack of protective measures, both that could prevent her from breaking yet another bed, or other wermage to attack or, more likely, to eavesdrop.
“Let me just say that the final decision will be made by all of us.” Anaise started, “This was not something I was planning to talk about so early in the relationship but if I don’t speak it now my mother would definitely say it tomorrow to Erf.”
Irje glanced at me and I shook my head in response as my hand lay on top of Yeva’s.
“I… agreed to be one of the wives in his sadaq. My mother, despite some early concerns, also accepted that outcome. The issue lies in the Emanai society as a whole.”
“You mean other wermages.” Yeva accused.
Irje hummed in response as well, “So are you implying we need to form the sadaq as yours? It all sounds quite convenient for you. What would be next? “Necessity” to get rid of us to please the public opinion?”
“No.” Her voice was steady despite the jabs, “The sadaq would remain as is. What my mother is going to suggest is to use my Feast to make it look like it is an equal sadaq of my own volition. That way it would be seen as the childish fancy of a young wermage rather than a murk asking above his means.”
“You are trying to shift the burden on yourself, is that what you are saying?” I frowned.
“Not precisely. There will be some that would disapprove and would try to make their voices heard no matter what. Both due to sadaq and my position in society. Some would simply try to use it to undermine the Kiymetl. So we all will be under certain scrutiny no matter what. But by changing the focus we can affect their means of influence. These parties would likely resort to words to change my and my mother’s mind. If they focus on Erf they might take more… active methods.”
“Then why do we have to make it known during your Feast?” Cougar crossed her hands, “Domina alone is enough to establish the sadaq. Have her hear us in private just like she did with us.”
“Why did you make the sadaq in the first place? I know Erf enough to guess he wasn’t the one pushing for it.” Anaise shook her head as Irje tried to speak, “You don’t need to answer. I know you did it as an assurance. To make sure you won’t lose him. I understand and I would have done the same myself if I was in your position. That is exactly why I am making it known during my Entrance Feast.”
“You need assurance that no one would deny your spot?” I asked.
“So I won’t lose you. Aikerim Kiymetl Adal is powerful, but my mother is still just Domina of a branch Manor. Even Kiymetl itself is not the most influential out of all seven Pillar Houses. There are forces out there that are above us. And I am willing to bear with minor annoyances as long as they also ensure our union through publicity.”
She looked pointedly at Irje, “This also makes your position much more secure in this sadaq, as well as Yeva’s.”
“I am not really sure that such drastic measures are warranted…” I started to speak only to be interrupted by the incredulous faces from all three sides, “Right, nevermind.”
Yeva coughed, “We should probably think about this a little bit longer.”
“I think that was the point of this conversation — to inform all of us in advance so we can think it through. Thank you, Anaise.” I scratched my chin but decided not to offer my opinion for now. Her offer was reasonable but there was the issue of her still being rather new to the sadaq and Irje and Yeva still felt threatened by her.
Speaking of threats. My fingers squeezed Yeva’s hand, “How was the lamura? Did she behave?”
“Mostly quiet,” She snuggled closer, scrunching her nose, “She did everything I demanded but mostly kept to herself, apart from occasional comment when one of the workers did something wrong.”
“Are you comfortable with her around? I had a talk with Sulla today where he showed me the body of a slain Forest creature. I fear that all my free time would be occupied with training in the future.”
“I don’t think comfort is a correct word, but I don’t fear her. Not with the shackles on her wrists. For me, she is not a wermage but someone who tried to kill you. She earned her punishment and she will do it, one way or another.”
“Hold on!” Anaise barged in, “What do you mean training?”
“With weapons, I think, so that I could ‘prove my worth’ and ‘change my Purpose’”
“But you don’t need to, now!” She pleaded, “My mother can make you a tributary, and as my husband, she is unlikely to demand anything from you. Why would you want to risk your life!”
“Because the freedom is worth it,” Irje butted in, “He might enjoy it now, especially since you are his wife. But what would happen if you grow tired of him? Of us?”
“Do you question my love?” Anaise growled.
“Aikerim Adal was happy with him, yet it all took a single demand from the Censor and his skin felt her whip!” Irje angrily refuted only to sigh and continue more peacefully, “You might love him, but what if your descendants won’t? What if there will be a new Domina and it is not your mother nor you? If you believe in his love you don’t need to fear him leaving.”
“I fear for his death!” The red tail swished across the room, “Perhaps you need to see the creature’s trophy up close to understand what he will face out there!”
“Ladies!” I spoke over them, “Stop arguing over my decision and let me speak for myself.”
As I spoke, my left hand pulled Irje closer, while the other left Yeva’s hand in order to pull on Anaise’s tail once again. Hard enough that she landed on me with a soft squeak. I hugged all three to keep them quiet and listening.
“All of you are right to some degree. Yes, I will be doing this because freedom is truly worth it. Not from your mother, but from the Emanai system as a whole. But I am not planning on throwing my life away in a desperate hope that I would gain it. I saw the trophy room and I saw the size and the runic markings on its shell — I am aware of what it could mean. That is why I will train until experienced warriors will tell me I am ready. And then more.”
I sighed and squeezed them tighter, “I understand your fear Anaise and I share it. That fear stems from uncertainty. Uncertainty whether I live or die as well as uncertainty whether my graces within the House of Kiymetl would stay stellar. That is why I wish to forge my own fate, both against the creatures of the Forest as well as the slavery laws of Emanai.”
“I will not let you go, if I think you aren’t ready,” Anaise hugged me back.
“He will be,” Yeva spoke to my side, “Erf is full of tricks. I believe that it is the creatures that would fear him in the Forest once he steps inside.”
“You shouldn’t underestimate them,” The wermage chided softly.
“As Yeva said, I am full of tricks, however.” I chuckled, trying to lift the sombre mood. “Most of which I haven’t even started to develop. In fact, I was planning to talk to all three of you today, about myself and my past. To tell you more of what made me, well, me. And to assure you that I have plenty of ways to defend myself.”
My arm stretched out and black tendrils lashed out to envelop it. Much faster than they did during my ‘conversation’ with Sulla. Louder too.
“Wait,” Anaise’s fingers trailed over my skinsuit, “Is it alive?”
“It is. And if it gets damaged it will regrow itself. It also withstood the punch by Albin, and I have a feeling he could punch through steel.” I scratched my nose in contemplation, “Granted the runes could make steel tougher but the same could be done to the skinsuit.”
A palm landed on my lips, “We shouldn’t be discussing this. Not here!” Anaise hissed as she looked around.
“Is someone listening in?” Irje glanced as well.
“I don’t hear anyone, but us,” Yeva spoke up.
“This room has no protections. None.” Wermage spoke. “There are…these, who could easily listen in from far away. Or find out one way or another. You need to have silencing runes carved around your meeting rooms and that is just for private conversations. The stuff you tend to discuss needs the best protection possible. Trust me with this.”
“So we need to carve runes on the walls first?”
“No, we need Domina. Only my mother can make sure there is an ‘adequate’ security when you speak. Were you planning to share this knowledge with her as well?”
“Probably. Most of you had witnessed my growth, including Aikerim. What I wanted to talk about is the history of it. Excluding her now, while telling you would just lead to problems down the line.”
“And what if she tries to take him?” Yeva asked.
“She won’t. I am her first daughter, not only I am beholden to her by blood, but I will also inherit most of her titles and power once she steps down. As long as she is confident in me making wise choices and listening to advice, Domina has no need to take him. For I am the future Domina. For us, that is akin to stealing from oneself.”
XXX
I stood naked in front of lounging Aikerim, with the rest of my sadaq lying on nearby couches.
Well, technically naked. The skinsuit was deployed and covered me from neck to toes. Slightly bulging fibres of the exoskeleton muscle layer were partially covered by scaled plates on my torso. A futuristic warrior standing in front of the Roman patrician of the past.
Although Emanai ambience had more similarities with central Asia than Rome. If I remembered my history right, Romans liked to paint and fresco their walls, while Emanai liked to show off their fancy wall carpets and carve wood into intricate designs and incorporate runic scripts whenever possible.
And sand. The sand was literally in every fancy room they had. No wonder they hang their colourful farshat on the walls, I could just imagine how much time they would spend daily to clean all that sand from their fancy rugs.
“Impressive,” Aikerim observed, “Remind me to test its strength at a later time, something tells me you aren’t here about the armour.”
“I am not. I wanted to talk about my past and how I became what do you know as Erf. I was planning to talk about this with my sadaq and I feel that you should hear it as well.”
“Your feelings do not betray you, for I am indeed curious. I have been curious for quite a while but up until recently I had no means to satisfy my curiosity in a private manner.” She looked at Anaise, “The fact that you are here today with your entire sadaq means that you were wise enough to stay quiet all this time.”
“When you are around magical people who have the ability to peek into your inner thoughts, OPSEC becomes paramount. Operational security — analyzing what information is important and limiting ways for an adversary to get a hold of it.”
“That we can discuss at a later time,” She interrupted, “I cannot hold the protections indefinitely.”
“Right,” I nodded, “I will be quick and short for now. We could discuss certain topics in detail at a later time.”
I patted the breastplate, “Erf isn’t just one person, I am a union of three separate entities. My body and my knowledge of Emanai came from the farmer slave of Chimgen. On the way to Samat, he had found the crashed ship and the rest of me within it. He found a fruit full with knowledge, soul if you may, of the ship’s Navigator. No name, for he had many and they all belonged to different bodies.”
“And the third part?”
“The Ship itself, Lif is her name.”
Aikerim frowned, “The crashed one?”
“Not the one nearby, that was a mere boat to move between the ship and the land. The actual ship, or I should say what was left of her, had crashed somewhere else. Somewhere far away. I will say this right away — I will seek it out as it is a part of me, but I have no plans to fly away. This is my land and I won’t just leave it.”
“Fly?” She leaned forward, “Like a Pillar?”
“She doesn't use magic to fly and is unlikely to be able to fly right now. But yes tree-ships can stay in the air.” I subconsciously glanced at the window. Somewhere in that direction, in the middle of Samat, seven Pillars were floating above the city. Seven towers of the seven most important Manors in Emanai Manorat.
And in one of them Virnan Shah was probably still playing around with mathematics, but I didn’t want to think about true horrors right this moment.
Anaise elbowed Irje, “Do you see why I wanted him to talk here now? This is why.”
“And where did it fly from? To arrive here?”
I glanced upward, “Orion arm of the galaxy. But all these names would mean very little to you, I am afraid. Let me start with a brief history of the planet ‘Earth’.”
They listened quietly as I briefly talked about ‘murk homeworld’. A place without magic and Forests. A cradle of humanity that used technology to build society and eventually reach the stars. I spoke briefly about challenges that we faced in doing some. Some of which Emanai had already overcome, some it was in the middle of and many others that are yet to come.
Noticing the sweat on Aikerim’s forehead, I jumped ahead to the first scattering. A tumultuous time in the earth’s history where capitalistic tendencies of the past clashed most severely with the mass-automation of labour and subsequent loss in value of the average human life.
Only for humanity to develop stable fusion technology.
Technology that could fuel our rockets across the stars, even if the trips would take centuries to achieve. And the mass exodus and creation of the First colonies. Groups of people large and small, wishing to escape the burden of Earth. To seek out a life that was worth living, away from corporate conglomerates and privatized automated production that made most of the work redundant. But instead of bringing paradise on earth it further enriched the select few, while making others worthless in the eyes of the economy.
And humanity scattered for the first time among the stars.
Both ensuring the survival of our species but quickly fracturing as a result of it. Light speed communications were too slow to maintain cultural cohesion where each message would take tens or even hundreds of years to reach the recipient, if it reached them at all.
Borders were erased and redrawn again and again as each successful colony established its own culture and influence. While hundreds of the smaller ones had vanished without a trace. Some succumbed to accidents during their travel. Some went dark after landing, either intentionally to break away from the old chains or due to the failure to establish a successful colony.
“Billions of people died.” I spoke into the sand, “Thousands of expeditions and colony ships simply vanishing in the darkness only to be replaced by thousands more. Some were found afterwards. It is one of the Navigator’s tasks — to seek and help lost colonies. And I have many reasons to believe that this world, Tana, is one of them. Too many similarities not to be. Murks which are identical to humans, wer and wermages that are still closely related enough to have offspring. Animals and plants that all have Earthen counterparts. Even your language, while mostly unique, still feels like an offshoot of the many languages spoken on Earth.”
My toe drew two symbols on the sand. Vir and Tana. First two letters of their alphabet, or virtana as they called it.
Tana was obvious, the round O that represented dirt, land and world. And Vir — a symbol that looked like a stick figure or an OK turned ninety degrees clockwise. It represented self, existence and, surprisingly for a matriarchal society, a male. It was also the first letter of the word wer and wermage, and likely the reason for their spelling too. I saw the virmage spelling in the older books.
“There is a dead but widespread language: Latin. In it, the word vir means man.” I looked at my quiet audience, “It might be a complete coincidence…but knowing what I do know now — it might not be.”
Thank you for the new chapter! "I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism... Space!"
Up up and away!
Is that quote from Red Alert 3? Or did they take it from somewhere else.
@joeblow12 Tim Curry was quoting Tim Curry.
This whole situation is like Colon reaching America. And Aikerim undoubtedly having an existential crisis and surely being glad that it was Erf that found them and not somebody else. Anaise might be shocked. And sadly, I think it was all too much for Irje and Yeva to fully comprehend.
Also, I like how Erf does harem management.
He is learning on the go! Honestly, it would probably take some time even for Aikerim to grok the significance. Especially since she has other pressing matters at the moment. (but that is for later)
If the wisest, smartest, most caring man on the planet says something to a group of women, is he wrong?
Yes. Yes, he is.
If a man says something in the forest and there is no woman to hear him is he still wrong?
TFTC
I'm looking forward to seeing their reactions about his tale, hearing how it affects them
Expect to be surprised! I think, especially since it affects them in a very interesting way.
This is the one aspect of the story with which I disagree, but it is not necessarily a bad or incorrect thing. It's mostly just backend worldbuilding flavor, but the topic piqued my interest. I just have a more optimistic view of what the future will look like from my perspective, as well as a different eye for some other issues that were mentioned.
As someone who was born and raised in the Rocket City of Huntsville, Alabama, and whose mother worked on many of these Rockets and their systems for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and SpaceX, my perspective has been shaped by these experiences. I've always been fascinated by space. For years, I've been following the ISS and news about space habitation.
One thing I've noticed people fixating on when making up lore for these is humans colonizing other planets first. In reality, we've spent the majority of the space age figuring out how to live on artificial habitats we've built. I think these are far more likely for us. Then the star type doesn't matter. Habitation or stations that will always necessitate insane logistical supply lines and infrastructure requirements that connect everything together. To be disconnected from that network would really suck. That is unlikely to change. A planet is a good resource anchor, but a habitat is designed to be absolutely perfect for human life. This would almost certainly result in a population explosion, causing problems with employment and food. Few things in fiction that I've seen acknowledge or have it as an option. Which by the way? When most of your population lives in space you have very different drives and life. Very different problems and advantages.
https://youtu.be/2stANs8FzHA
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/voidborn-origin-strategy-spitballing.1369620/
The Stellaris Voidborne start, where you directly gain access to the Habitat megastructure technology, is the most recent example I can think of.
I'm more of a Gene Roddenberry type of guy. I don't believe we will destroy ourselves or scatter, and I believe capitalism will keep gradually mutating to suit our needs as we enter space and discover there is more there than any select few can ever hope to use. It's already been mutating for the past century if you pay attention. Public roads, public schools, public Healthcare, and public 911 services, etc? Most developed countries evolved to have these. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Finally, as a species, we have already passed many tests of all kinds, surviving and improving in every way you can imagine. WW2 could've been a lot worse and the cold war could've been a hot one. It appears to me highly unlikely that we will reach the point where we will colonize space after lifetimes of international unity in space as a species just trying to figure things out there, only to shatter on the next test we face when we start colonizing other stars.
Does that mean a utopia where all problems are gone? No. 😆 There will be other challenges for us. Like feeding that many people, energy, and providing jobs that can't be made better through automation. The civics of that are already being developed if you pay attention. There's already laws being made. It's interesting if you look at what the daily life of each astronaut on the ISS's day is like. Or diplomacy with alien species that had wildly different journeys and ideologies to us from where they began. As far as what would happen to some colonies that split off from the main branch of humanity? It isn't so simple a thing to achieve that. Societies that unify and reach space have found a path to survival that I think few would dare stray too far off. Meaning massive cultural changes after a certain point may be unlikely to happen, but if they do certain ones might not make it. Which could explain this world. I think that with the resources necessary to go to other stars though it's unlikely to be quite so explosive.
One thing most people miss on these is technology and evolution. Where we need a certain population size to slow down evolution that is connected as a community. Lest we risk what many other species have suffered on our own world that have had that happen to them. We could even evolve out of intelligence. Technology is not much different. To be cut off from the whole you would regress or stagnate at best. That's what happens with isolationism. We even have historical examples of this.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Was a very interesting topic though! I love stuff like that. I watch a lot of PBS Spacetime, Veritasium, Etc. 😆 As you can no doubt tell.
I appreciate the comment no doubt, however, I do wish to cool your horses just a little bit.
This is once again a part of the setting - in the 'history' part of the chapter he isn't talking about his history - he is slowly showing them the possible past of their world. and his words are hinting at that - he is describing *first* scattering.
I am aware of the habitats, O'Neil cylinders, and many other potential ways of living in space. And I have set up my setting with knowledge of them in mind too. They will be discussed eventually but at a later time.
About social aspects - While I am also optimistic about our future, on a macroeconomic scale there are bound to be issues, especially since humanity isn't a single homogenous entity and has many cultures and societies (something that I would expect to remain at least until the first scattering - which would exacerbate it). Billions of deaths mean nothing if you have trillions, add to that the loss of human value (on a macro-economical scale) and you can see explorers risking their lives to brave the great unknowns similarly to the age of sail.
Even in the most idyllic situations, imagine a random person - he has luxurious food and shelter probably can live hundreds of years and not work a single minute of his life but he has an itch to do something to act. But do what? 99% of work is automated and the rest is artists and other service industries. if he has no knack for creativity he is essentially stuck in a gilded cage filled with treats. give him a chance to explore (and possibly to throw his life away) and he would gladly take it.
You dont need that large of a populace to avoid significant genetic drift. Take away natural selection due to healthcare and evolution would lose its main 'guide'. Is certain stagnation or reversal possible? well take a look at this world - this is exactly what he is hinting at. But in general - as long as you have the technology to maintain life I would not call it stagnation but branching out - just because they chose to head in a different direction, not in line with a certain country X, does not mean that they are choosing a dead end.
Since you do watch a lot of these I would recommend you to take a gander at Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g
he goes to a great extent to discuss many specific aspects of futurism from a mostly realistic perspective. While my setting was not directly influenced by his podcast there are many things I have borrowed from his ideas or came up on my own while listening to him.
@Snusmumriken
Cool my horses? Uh... My comment was simply an exploration of the topic presented in the chapter and wasn't intended to critique your work as I think there isn't a right or wrong with this overall topic, because I found the topic interesting I wrote my post to also articulate my own thoughts which made it a long post, even though I disagree with some of the more in my view extreme outcomes in the vision of the future presented and was simply presenting my perspective on the topic in a somewhat lengthy manner.
I apologize for any inconvenience or misunderstanding caused. I attempted to make that clear, but I believe I fell short of that. This is just my opinion and I love this story. I just don't agree with some of the future views and to me that's okay. As I said I don't think there's a wrong answer there.
I simply disagree that there will be scattering, loss of life value, extinction, or extreme loss of life as a result of colonization, independent or even commercial colonization of distant stars, as we saw in history with sail, and I see the employment issue differently, as I briefly discussed.
See? It's a fascinating topic. 😄
Personally, I believe that hundreds of years will have passed by the time we can make interstellar starships a reality. The Lentz Soliton FTL Drive is currently the best solution we have come up with. This is an advancement over the Alcubierre drive concept. For these, the problem they must solve is one of energy. Requirements such as the energy equivalent in mass of a small moon for Lentz and exotic matter plus mass equivalent to Jupiter for Alcubierre drive to work, ignoring other issues with Relativity, of course. I don't believe any private citizens or corporations will be willing to take on that kind of risk, R&D, or anything on that level for a very long time. By the time they can do so, perhaps millennia will have passed. What will we be like then? I don't know any more than you, but I don't think it'll be quite like this.
Now, what about the population issue? We have observations on this now for many species. The Minimum Viable Population (MVP) of a species is the lowest population size at which it can survive in the wild. It's a term that's commonly used in biology, ecology, and conservation biology. Of course, this also applies to humans. The smallest possible size at which a biological population can exist without facing extinction due to natural disasters or demographic, environmental, or genetic stochasticity is referred to as MVP. Rather than make this longer than it needs to be I'll just point to an article on it and recommend the extinction tab. Otherwise, it would be a very long comment. 😆 The gist is that smaller populations statically are more prone to stochastic extinction. Like Neanderthal or Denisovans? It didn't really have to do with countries. I think the importance of nationalities will wane during the colonization of space.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population
Now, I agree that there will be a problem with employment, but I see it in a very different light than you. I don't believe that everyone will have access to the best food or housing. I believe that the bottom rung of society might be transporting cargo between stations for credits for instance, with only the bare necessities of life covered for only the very bottom of the bottom rung, who would perish otherwise. People will work for better accommodations still, but then you get into philosophy. What do you do with eternity? I don't know. Each person will have to figure that out. I do think that the "United Nations" in space will not ignore obvious macroeconomic issues like this to the point of such obvious results and will develop programs to provide jobs for people. Like cargo transport. Automation is something I view differently than you as well from a practical perspective. I don't believe that everything can or should be automated. We can choose not to automate certain things collectively or practically too. Work is not eliminated by automation; rather, it is redefined and some jobs are eliminated.
You can read about that here;
https://www.industryweek.com/talent/article/22025840/automation-eliminates-jobs-not-work-new-report
https://www.bdo.com/digital/insights/automation/automation-is-redefining-jobs-not-killing-them
I don't want to get too sidetracked with philosophy so I'll leave the meaning of life stuff at that, but the gist is that I see it more practically and less like a utopia. A man given a basic bed, basic tasteless food enough to live on, just pure water, and basic shelter? I would seek to improve that. Then eventually when I'm 300 you'll get into the philosophy again, but I think that it just doesn't end basically. You keep seeking higher goals and the like.
Let's not forget that there's likely other life out there with very different ethics and ideologies. They already had a different branch and could be comparable to us. We might find them not long after achieving interstellar starships. Space is so incredibly vast and who knows what's out there.
I have extensively studied many Futurists. Some are required reading in school after all. I went through a bit of a phase where I bought into that too much I think and then decided to stick to more... grounded views. For instance, the singularity seems pretty far-fetched to me even if the idea is interesting. It's just that some of those guys care more about selling something. Not that I won't check that out because I will. I just prefer the opinion of real scientists for the given thoughts on a particular subject. I think a background in the technology is needed. If that makes sense. That guy, Isaac Arthur, seems to be a physicist so that's probably an interesting one. Though he doesn't seem big enough to have detractors that I can find.
Sorry for the long comment! 😅 I try to keep these short, but it's interesting.
@Ouroboros by cooling your horses, I meant that you are using still incomplete data and were extrapolating on it as it was whole. I haven't even touched on biotech and warp capabilities in his lectures yet.
Yes, I am aware of what MVP is and no it is not an issue - as I've mentioned above a few thousand is enough to pass the minimum. The maximum is dictated by the infrastructure that can support these volumes.
In terms of automation, while not being an expert myself I am using some of the projections made by a few economists.
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Machine-Age-Prosperity-Technologies/dp/0393350649
https://www.bu.edu/econ/files/2015/05/Robots_Are_Us_3-29-20151.pdf
Edit. I am not trying to say that automation is bad - it just different. It will obviously have a deep impact like many other instances of creative destruction and will result in the shrinking of some jobs and an increase in others. But there will be people 'displaced' in an economical sense.
It just it is possible that some of these displaced people have chosen a new work - colonist.
But this isn't a scholarly paper just a story on internet.
@Snusmumriken I was not trying to "use still incomplete data and extrapolate on it as if it was whole" was what I have been trying to tell you.
Your story is mostly irrelevant to my post, no offense.
These things aren't even talked about mostly in the story and even if they are later, they won't really be all that important overall to the plot as far as I'm concerned. This is a very much a nerdy rant slash discussion. As far as the story in reference to this topic; I'm only talking about what I have seen so far in the story sure, as far as that goes it could change later or not be relevant at all, but more importantly the topic itself is what interested me.
Again! I am not trying to critique you or your work.
I am talking about the topic, which is essentially Futurists, sociology, computer science, ecology, biology, etc I suppose, and these are just my my views. Take it with a grain a salt.
Most of my opinions were not even formed from your work at all. 😆 No offense, but like I said earlier this topic is something I've researched before. Some of it professionally and most of it just for my own interests sake. Like you said yourself, this is just a story. I have no illusions otherwise. You have a great story though! I'm just not talking about that. 😁 It did inspire the rant. 😆
I've read that book before and the one preceding it for instance. All during my associates degree for science later leading into a bachelors for computer science. Erik Brynjolfssonis, Andrew McAfe, and Jeremy Rifkin are all tangentially important in my field after all.
In the interest of shortening my post I'll truncate that;
There were three books that were relevant to the discussion, but Rifkin was more famous than those two and way more influential for that topic. Many attribute him as the source of the discussion or beliefs about automation killing jobs or productivity. All were required reading for me and I mostly felt they all lacked credible evidence being anecdotal or opinion meant to push policy.
There was a big section of the second book of 2nd Machine Age at the end just about public policy. Not dissimilar to Jeremy Rifkin's The End of Work: The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-Market Era. They lack evidence, though. *shrugs*
Rifkin has a lot of books about policy and I have read most of his work for political science classes as well. I have never felt so conflicted about an activist. 😆 I digress.
To prove their arguments, they mentioned auto student grading and auto article writers for Forbes. Both being machine learning programs written by people, by the way, and trained by people. They're not intelligent in the way we are. I've worked with tensor flow and machine learning before. You have to teach these things how to do these jobs or algorithms as they call them and I would kill for some automation there. 😆 Can you imagine how difficult it is just to teach an A.I. what nudity is? What a pizza is? It's awful. Let the machines do that.
Anyway...
Their arguments are that the Second Machine Age involves the automation of a lot of cognitive tasks that make humans and software-driven machines substitutes instead, rather than complements to each other. The vague bounty and spread system they made to replace GDP and calculate inequality caused by this? Lacked evidence and didn't take into account many factors just like Rifkin's work.
There's actually many scientists who do peer reviewed studies on this topic you can look into just searching a little. And the evidence really points that the opposite is true. Many sociologists and economists like Caffentzis just dismiss Rifkin's work out of hand because they say it's based on technological determinism that does not take into account the dynamics of employment and technological change in the capitalist era aka Technocapitalism. Or because he didn't take into account the productivity paradox during the release of his book in the eighties, but that paradox is still in debate as it's currently relevant again for the second half of the 2000's And those two didn't talk about it either.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2690435
It's not all fresh now obviously, I'm missing quite a lot above, and so I won't comment too much on that, I was already too technical. Sorry about that.
But anyway to summarize having worked in fields with automation I just don't understand the perspective and some of it just isn't correct at all. Those automated systems break a lot and need to be fixed by humans. My best friend works in a brewery right now, Straight To Ale, and he has to fix these things every day or wait for someone to fix them if it's more serious.
Now as far as the premise goes of a person at the bottom rung seeking a way out of their circumstances and decided colonist would be best? We're not in disagreement there. I think that it wouldn't even take that much for some people to decide to be a colonist. You just have to have the right demographics for it. *Shrugs* It's definitely viable. I just wasn't really talking about that. Your book is fine. I'm not critiquing it. Just thought I would articulate my own thoughts on the underlying subject?
Anyway. This is getting a bit circular. You take care, man. I'll be looking out for the next chapter.
@Ouroboros Fair enough. And I will keep them in mind (and many of your ideas were in consideration from the beginning for example habitats I just dont wanna spoil the story in the comments even if that is nothing more than a flavour text of the setting)
In fact, one of the reasons for organic AI is that bridge of automating the automation, as the living tissue can be seen as nothing else but flexible hardware capable of self-regulation growth and modification.