0612 April 12th, 2020 CE
0624 Sun 12th, 196 AE
Somewhere in the Elven Nation
Soldiers tossed bushes, twigs, and various types of vegetation onto the artillery pieces.
It was noted that the Americans had the capability to locate elven units with ease. How they were doing it was still in question but precautions were being taken. In order to combat this problem, Tarron had ordered the application of various types of camouflage onto magipanzers, artillery, bunkers, and nearly everything else that can hide. Magipanzers were being painted green on top and grasses were placed onto the turrets.
1800 April 12th, 2020 CE
0000 Sun 13th, 196 AE
The northern beaches of the Elven Nation
In near-complete darkness, a zodiac boat was quietly zipping through the waters. It quickly slid onto a beach. Six men jumped out and the boat was deflated. They quickly unpacked. One of the men put on his night-vision goggles. He silently walked up the sand mound and scanned around. He signaled to the others that the coast was clear. After completely unpacking within a few minutes, they quickly moved inland.
0359 April 13th, 2020 CE
0459 Sun 13th, 196 AE
Eastern side of the Elven Nation
One of the largest combined deployment of naval units in elven history was happening right in front of his eyes. Admiral Eyrom held no joy at it. A few weeks ago, he would have been extremely proud of leading such a force but now his face seemed stone cold. To him, this was just a suicide mission. He looked down at his watch. It was 5:00.
“Set off”
5 fleet carriers, 5 light carriers, 5 battleships, 20 cruisers, 85 destroyers, and 95 submarines set off for the American west coast. It was more than half of the entire Elven fleet.
0436 April 13th, 2020 CE
Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba New Frontier
Although located in a somewhat similar topography as the original Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, it was now connected to the mainland. The Pentagon was a bit annoyed by this fact since it meant the possibility of prisoners escaping and hiding in the surrounding forests. Nevertheless, it was still being used.
When it was transported from Earth to the New World, it came under attack by the phoenixes. Luckily a US Army unit that had been stationed in Iraq had also been transported nearby. They had taken casualties but air support was able to be called in and the phoenixes were dealt with.
Now a C-130 Hercules transport aircraft came in for a landing on the airfield. The door on it opened once it came to a stop.
“Come on, get off!”
An elf was shoved out of the plane and landed face-first on the runway.
“Woah, be careful with them.”
“I have had enough of keeping an eye on these fucking bastards.”
“I will lead the rest off.”
The extremely frustrated soldier walked off and started dragging the elf that he had shoved off.
The elves were all blindfolded, gagged, and tied at all the limbs. Originally only their hands were tied together. After a plane trip across the ocean, even their legs were bound.
A few hours later
Inside the detention camp, one of the elves finally had his blindfold taken off. His eyes darted around in the slightly lit room. The only other person in the room was the human who took off his blindfold. The human was clearly armed and seemed ready to shoot at any sign of anything going wrong. Suddenly a voice was heard. It didn’t come from the human in the room.
“Now then.”
The voice sighed before continuing.
“Depending on how well you cooperate, you will either have a relaxing day or a not so relaxing one. Now, I have multiple questions that I hope you will answer. Get his gag off.”
The human in the room followed the order.
“Fuck you, you human! We will kill you all! Our armies will…”
The voice cut him off. It was louder this time.
“Mhm. Ok. Now, the first question. Who’s your leader?”
“Our glorious Leader will trample you all! Just wait and see you pitiful…”
“Let me ask again. Who is your leader? His name?”
“Our glorious Leader Tarron Venharice. You shall tremble when you hear of his name you insignifi…”
“Do you know what he looks like? Can you give us a description?”
“Why should I tell you that, you vermin?"
There was a short silence.”
“Ok, next question. Do you know how large your navy is?”
“Our navy? Our glorious navy is tremendous. Their guns will blast your cities to smithereens.”
“How large is it?”
“You will be groveling at our feet soon you inferior!”
The voice sighed and grumbled a bit.
“I guess we are doing it the hard way. Take him to his cell. Make sure he doesn’t get a wink of sleep. Also no food. Let's see how he likes Gitmo hospitality.”
None of the captured were very high ranking so the information asked of them involved questions that were less secretive but still important to know. The sizes of their military, their training, their goal, and other things. Of course, none of them willingly answered much so they were subjected to some “conditioning”.
Ah yes warcimes are gone now let's a go
I'm disappointed, myself, in the way this chapter has the Guantanamo base treat these POWs. Depriving a prisoner of food is DEFINITELY against the Geneva Conventions, no matter how you interpret them. PERIOD. Also, I thought that reputable studies have shown that information obtained through torture or coercion of any kind was, at best, unreliable.
For a very informative take on approved U.S. military interrogation methods, their legality as well as methods prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, I recommend reading the "IRAQ: Interrogation and Torture" article on the cfr [dot] org (Council on Foreign Relations) website.
A Washington Post article says that approved Guantanamo Bay methods including reversing detainees' normal sleep patterns; exposing detainees to heat, cold, and "sensory assault," including loud music and bright lights; and forcing prisoners to stand for up to four hours at a time. However:
Interrogators must justify that harsh treatment is "militarily necessary," according to accounts of the document. Once approved, the treatment must be accompanied by "appropriate medical monitoring." U.S. officials have declared prisoners in Guantanamo Bay "illegal combatants" and therefore not covered by the Geneva Conventions.
Also:
U.S. officials say that because the protections of the Geneva Conventions apply to prisoners in Iraq, interrogation procedures approved for use there are more restrictive than those in use in Guantanamo.
Approved methods used in Iraq:
* dietary manipulation, such as modifying meal times and food served;
* sleep adjustment, including reversing detainees' normal sleep patterns;
* sleep deprivation, including keeping detainees awake for up to 72 hours;
* isolation for longer than 30 days;
* permitting the presence of muzzled military dogs during interrogations;
* forcing detainees to stand or sit in an uncomfortable position for up to 45 minutes; and
* sensory deprivation, such as complete darkness and isolation, for up to 72 hours.
However:
Interrogators who wished to use these techniques needed Sanchez's approval on a case-by-case basis, according to the document. Under the new policy announced May 14, only isolation for more than 30 days will be allowed and only with Sanchez's approval, news accounts reported.
Contrary to this, however, the Geneva Conventions...
...ban wartime interrogators from using all forms of coercion. The Third Geneva Convention, which deals with the treatment of prisoners of war, states that during interrogations, "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted. Prisoners who refuse to answer questions may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."
Also:
Interrogators often dodge U.N. sanctions and codes by operating within the ambiguity surrounding definitions of certain words. No regulation scale is in place to measure when pain is "severe" and when it is not.
To truly understand what a prisoner must endure, one would have to endure the ordeal themselves. As a prisoner of the Russian NKVD, Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel from 1977-83, underwent many different interrogation methods, SD among them. He described the ordeal as follows "In the head of the interrogated prisoner, a haze begins to form. His spirit is wearied to death, his legs are unsteady, and he has one sole desire: to sleep... Anyone who has experienced this desire knows not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it (Begin, 1957)." Begin describes the desire to sleep as strong, if not stronger, than that of hunger or thirst. Depriving a prisoner of food or water is in strict violation of the Geneva Conventions, bringing the legality of SD [sleep deprivation] into question yet again.
Some readers might suggest the use of Truth Serum (Sodium Pentothal). However, many people may be unaware of what this does and the legality. I've read that even under the U.S. interpretation of mental torture, the use or threatened use of truth serum causes severe mental pain or suffering.
Oddly enough, the threatened administration of truth serum does constitute torture because the mental pain of a threat satisfies the intent requirement, but the side effect of mental harm from the use of truth serum does not. But mental pain or suffering alone is not sufficient under CAT because interrogators must intentionally inflict mental pain or suffering for certain purposes such as obtaining information. With truth serum, the mental pain or suffering would be a side effect of the drug-induced divulgence of information. As a result, the administration of truth serum falls through a lacuna in CAT's definition of torture.
Anyway, Sodium Pentothal does not force the subject to tell the truth, but rather, merely make the subject more talkative. But lowering inhibitions does not guarantee that elicited information will be accurate. So the usefulness is questionable, even if it can be considered legal.
This said, there is speculation of a high probability that the U.S. has secretly pursued research towards a "next-generation" truth serum:
But what if there is a truth serum that lives up to its name? A drug with no negative physical side effects beyond a prick of the needle, a next-generation Sodium Pentothal that actually induced truth telling?
Even so: I've read that attempts to gain information from an unwilling prisoner of war through the use of mind-altering chemicals, drugs and physiological or psychological devices (such as hypnosis), which impair or deprive prisoners of their free will without being in their interest (as would be, for example, bona fide medical treatment), are also prohibited for their coercive nature. But then, it sounds like such things depend on interpretations by lawyers and judges and whether the nation in question as ratified all provisions of the Geneva Conventions.
And then there's the fact that the elven nation has not signed the Geneva Conventions and the question of whether it is enforceable on this continent and new world they find themselves in.
@Xpacetrue The Geneva Convention doesn't exist in the New World. Why bother following it? It's free real estate for them to be unconventional.
@Xpacetrue In other words, "Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Suggestion"
@Xpacetrue The USA is in another world and therefore they can interpret or ignore the Geneva convention. Who's going to judge them?
When you remove something from another world, then the laws of that world may not apply.
@Xpacetrue they did burn other people alive
@Xpacetrue When you in an another world, why bother with the rule of the old world?
@Xpacetrue Sorry about the late reply. All that you have said is mostly true. It is definitely against the Geneva Conventions. However, I highly doubt that the CIA even follows the Geneva Convention in the real current world. If America travels to a world without anybody enforcing the Geneva Convention (as you have said at the bottom), I don't believe the CIA will care about following the Geneva Convention at all. I'm trying my best to write what I think will actually happen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5779579/cia-torture-secrecy/%3famp=true
"But Mitchell, who testified about assaulting prisoners, pouring water down their throats, starving them, stripping them and threatening to kill a man's child, isn't on trial. In fact, the government has never prosecuted a single person for the systematic torture that the CIA and its contractors inflicted."
"America will, as Mitchell boasted, "do it again.""
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/27/cia-contractor-details-torture-9/11-suspects
"Rather, key figures such as Gina Haspel, the current director of the CIA who oversaw torture at a "black site" in Thailand, have been promoted to senior positions."
"But Mitchell wasn't objecting to torture. As he made clear in his testimony, he objected to using such techniques on Abu Zubaydah at that point because he had concluded Abu Zubaydah had no intelligence to offer, making those methods "unnecessary.""
Also the CFR and Washington Post article comes from 2005 so it's a bit outdated.
@RonTheBlackCat U.S.A!
@Xpacetrue While all of what you said is true but if written in accordance to the geneva convention its kinda lame
@RonTheBlackCat This is the reason why every non "federal agents" don't like the CIA
@Xpacetrue it doesn't exist in the new world, there's no need to bother even for non-humans unless they are cooperative
@Xpacetrue Geneva convention doesn't exist and even if it does it doesn't protect non-signatories. The elves are also not obeying the Geneva conventions so f*ck 'em
@Xpacetrue I've been told that the US has refused to follow certain articles of the Geneva convention upon proposal. I think one of the most commonly mentioned ones in the army is about the M2 browning (50. Cal machine gun) being technically ruled as a weapon class you're not supposed to use against infantry, but can use against equipment. "Webbing, guns, canteens, and ammo are types of equipment, aim for that"
As for a similar though interestingly well done modern interrogation that skirts the rules, the interrogation of
"six"
in "The Kevin Jenkins Experience" (possibly in one of it's weird though honestly better IMO co-authored branch stories, but I think it's in the main one) shows a terrifying amount of thought and subtle psychological warfare
over the course of several months where they break an alien captive down and slowly convince him the humans he's trying to genocide (without exposing his organization) are friends and that it's in his people's best interest to make peace with them.