Always love the outside look at Alyssa. People reacting to her audacity behind closed doors is always fun to see.
Do the gilled fish people have a settlement underwater?
Yep. They have underwater city connecting to above-water city-state of Marina (also theirs, even though there is a decent amount of "air-suckers" living there too) and a bunch of outlying underwater settlements. Not too far from the main city, they are kinda isolationist.
@Cytotoxin "Air-suckers" xD
So they're still pretty close to shore, right? Them closing off their ports is the issue, not then blockading the entire ocean?
@LadyLinq It`s an issue locally. For all their xenophobic tendencies aside, fishfolk are excellent marine engineers and their port facilities are currently second to none. So while they did the business, everyone around just wasn`t THAT concerned about having their own ports, even if the Marina fees were not trivial, the expenses of building a dedicated port facility to compete with them would not cover themselves even in a hundred years, not without some external issue forcing most of locally-bound traffic out of Marina and on the look for alternatives.
The closing of borders and turtling up upended the situation badly - this is why Bogdan and Taras are so interested in the port. Their sea trade basically dried up seven years ago and they had no idea when Marina is going to reopen, or even if it WOULD to begin with. On the other hand, the absolute majority of Kraina is agrarian and lives a medieval analog of hand-to-mouth kinda economics. They eat what they grow to have the energy to grow what they will eat. While there IS some spare buffer of manpower and wealth, the most they could just spontaneously do would be assorted fisher wharves and petty boats. Someone willing to just plop down a fully furnished port WITH the ability to build their own ships? Super-big deal in the current climate. The "hetman is gonna show up personally" kinda big deal.
Bogdan is going to have a dinner with the folks tomorrow, get awed a couple times back to back with the "has princess for a wife", "everyone`s a witch", "revered by dwarves", "has elf for a wife", "can trade with Evergreens", "has flying ship" and so on and he will ride out with all haste to go fetch hetman and everyone from khorunjy he can, because this is whole Kraina levels of big.
Vlad catches the wind of this and sends one of his underlings to raid villages nearby to put some pressure on hetman. His intention is to show how Kraina is not capable of responding to his raids and then "magnanimously" agree to point his horsemen somewhere else in exchange for fealty and other political submissions. Underling ambitiously decides that capturing hetman would actually be even more persuasive then just sabre-rattling in his immediate vicinity.
This is the point where sh*t gets ludicrous because Vlad`s underlings very unwisely bother Alyssa.
@Cytotoxin I realized Alyssa is how I play most strategy games, SimCity or Victoria up until you piss me off, then it's total war, or at.least vassalization.
@Cytotoxin It would be interesting if someone that wasn't basically a punching bag for Alyssa popped up.
@ZephaZeph she's Civilization's meme Ghandi: you play nice, she plays nice; you play hard, she drops a nuke on you
@Pepe-las-palmas I don't know if that's possible without that person being some sort of world-ending super powered being. Remember that part where Alyssa talked about being able to consume and replace the world? lol
@Cytotoxin Good thing hetman will be in the area then, as long as you're at least potentially allied with Alyssa, and not a complete moron, being within 100 meters of Alyssa is probably the safest you could possibly be xD
@Sablecaballero Uh no. Civ Gandhi plays nice until you try to make him (and everyone else) nicer. Then he goes "You were thinking about looking askance so here is a nukestorm for even daring to do that"
I like how you started and ended the interlude with basically the same sentence
Sometimes simple tricks are best tricks.
might we no longer need to pay the fees and customs to the fishfolk? Not that the gilled ones really let any trade pass through lately, that is."
Sounds like we’re going Subnautica in the future!
Poor fishfoo-folk.
Fresh delivery!
So many biscuits, where do you find the time to bake them all? May I have 2 perhaps?
Klaus would also like the recipe jungfrau
So short, TFTC
It`s interlude. The actual chapters are longer. ^_^
Always hilarious to feel how absurd she is from the common folk's pov.
When I think of the ship progression in this book, in actual history, and in civilization games (genre not the franchise, I'm always reminded of the Last Shanty (the original version by Tom Lewis not the more recent cover that got popularity on Youtube shorts a few months back and probably tikTok.)
Thanks for the chapter :) I hope someone does right by the fish folk, may they not be tasty.
Wonder where on the obstinacy scale they rank, or maybe somebody pissed them off.
They`re Innsmouth style Deep Ones expies and kinda xenophobic jackasses. Not specifically externally malicious, but expressively isolationist and more then a little dismissive of anyone else`s concerns with their presence or border policies.
@Cytotoxin I see a change in their policies coming soon. Wonder what their myths say about her
@LazyFloof
Their mythos are very DIRECTLY related to her, connect her to the eruption of Red Mountain and were collaterally related to their decision to close the borders tight and hunker down in their city-state Marina for the last seven years.
Currently she is known to them as "Star Horror" and "The One Not To Speak Of". Upon more direct interaction, there will be a whole assortment of monikers referring to either steel, wail or both of them and connecting them to epithets suggesting wariness (ranging from "do not look in the eye, do not gainsay, do not linger in the presence if not ordered otherwise" to full-blown hysterical terror). They do NOT really take their introduction to submarines or echolocation well.
@Cytotoxin sweet, now I am looking forward to their reactions even more.
She makes politics and issues fun.
@Cytotoxin dear old ones. considering what happened with the elves, and their legends about her kind, i honestly cant see this ending well.... maybe. though what you've indicated sounds like in the past they may have elf'ed a lot in the past, had shoggoth hijinks happen and thus their legends passed down the 'thou shalt not do anything to displease or annoy a shoggoth' part very strongly.
@Sabruness They`re not actively hostile as much as scared shitless and 120% certain that getting involved with anything even remotely concerning her will not end well. The "eat your soul" kind of not end well.
P.S. There is a reason for that, they are interdimensional fugitives much like imps. Much UNLIKE imps, their distant ancestors were at war with Elder Ones and yes, shoggoths were used as weapon of mass consumption against them. It`s been VERY long time ago, so current fishfolk does not have any direct trauma from those times, but their lore and culture bears VERY clear impressions left by shoggoths. They have significant and deeply ingrained cultural reasons to believe Alyssa`s attention is well among "the worst things that could possibly happen to a person" and very little information to say otherwise.
@Cytotoxin "Mass consumption" is the new black! You got a chuckle from me with that!
@Cytotoxin i aktually wonder if there is a game of this novel of yours, or do you have the entire thing planed until the end already?
if there is a game/novel/manga i realy would like to read it^^
@Naischtir right? This is certainly one of my favorite webnovels so far and I'd love to know the same. Though honestly I would bet on there being a timeline of major points with several future interactions already being worked out but not to completion. Also, I'd buy the hell out of this if cyto published and printed it!
@YulaYulna There is definitely some sort of long range plan, because very clear spoilers have been repeatedly given in the comments.
@Cytotoxin So unlikely Ally is gonna come into possession of a literal Fish Wife.
@Syth_Dracous Well she might get gifted a fish maiden as a sacrifice to go away. Said fish maiden would also willingly sacrifice herself for the good of her people, so there wouldn't be any need to eat some heads.
@Naischtir @YulaYulna
No, there is no game. It is entirely a figment of my imagination. Didn`t want any unnecessary lawyer entanglements.
P.S. Please don`t shorten my name to "Cyto". If you absolutely have to, use "Toxin" or just call me Alice.
@Syth_Dracous
No fishwives.
@SuperBort
Well...
They DO try sacrifices. NOT any of their own people, nor volunteers for that matter. Alyssa busts up the wall and a bunch of infrastructure to get there on time to stop it. Much to the terror of fishfolk. Cue some tense explanations. Fishfolk have troubles understanding where they went wrong, how come the sacrifice is not good enough. Alyssa has a seething diatribe about how much of numbskull jackasses they really are to think she would be interested in some second-hand meat and blood. Some more misunderstandings after, Alyssa gives up on trying to have a civilized conversation and outright imposes a "labor sacrifice" on the fishfolk. They are thus mandated to maintain and improve their ports and explore sea options for trade wares. Their obedience is measured in how ethically profitable the city-state of Marina is. Feeling a little miffed with this whole debacle, Alyssa goes into details, mandating that they are to "maintain themselves as a part of the port and ensure the healthy amounts of food, sleep and entertainment time for every person under Marina aegis". Fast-forward some years, Marina is the primary supplier of exotic seafood and cultured pearls/clams/mussels/squid/seaweed/etc.
@Cytotoxin ... don't innsmouth deep ones literally eat people?
@Error25 Depends on a writer. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they`re more of a "marry people" kind. Sometimes it`s just some sort of uneasy coexistence.
Man, sounds like they'll start a war once sonar's introduced... Rightfully so, shit's loud