“Big sister…. Margret called!” Theta said as soon as Alpha entered the hotel suite’s living room, where she and Ruby were relaxing and having some tea after a successful shopping trip. They planned to meet Mona's friends the next day so they needed to dress up.
Alpha, on the other hand, returned late last night and went directly to sleep. She was clearly super drunk, so the girls didn’t disturb her.
“Did she need anything?” Alpha said as she threw herself onto one couch, she was clearly still distressed after going out yesterday. She even had a few marks of getting beaten up by a cane, but the girls chose not to comment.
“Yes, she wanted to tell us that Victor will be going somewhere, he will be gone for a few months, and that we should be careful as the family might presume him dead… “ she said. "It will be super dangerous!" she sighed.
“What?” Alpha brightened up. “Really?”
“Ah… Yes… They suspect someone might put a fake in his place… remember how Victor warned us…"Theta paused and then frowned as the smile on Alpha’s face became brighter. “Is there anything wrong?” she asked.
“Oh… Nothing… As long as Victor is not around, I don’t really have to do a thing!” she said. “Any idea where he is going?” she asked. She had to avoid him. JUST FUCKING AVOID HIM! She felt super smart!
“Margret said it is some other world… But I think she is joking…” Theta said, pouting a little as she was annoyed they were not telling her a thing.
“Oh… even better…” Alpha said happily. In her memories, there were some rare instances of people traveling to other worlds. Very few survived!
…
NAME: MARCOS VON WEISE CLASS: Shield Warrior, A AUTHORITY: 6 Strength: 254 Luck: 15 SKILLS : Bloodline: EQUIPMENT: FATE: FATE’S POWER: D DEFINED FATE: NONE DESTINY LIST < 10 ORDER POINTS TO UNVEIL> |
“Marcos, do you understand what you're doing?” Ann asked in a frosty cold voice, noticing the few guards who stood behind him. This was a clear coup! The only ally she had here was Alfred who was locked with her at the moment.
“I am fully aware!” Marcos said, “It is my time at last to rule this family!” he said proudly from behind the barrier as Victor appraised the flag that Marcos struck at the entrance.
ELDER DRAGON BARRIER FLAG, SS [LOCKING FORMATION] [DURATION 2 HOURS] |
“GO FUCK YOURSELF! DO YOU THINK A SIMPLE BARRIER CAN STOP ME!” she snapped launching an attack at the blue barrier, it flickered for a moment but at the same time caused the chamber to shake.
“GRANDMA! STOP!” Mike quickly said, making the enraged Ann glare at him and then notice that the gate began to flicker growing a little larger.
“FUCK…” She quickly stepped away from it.
“I advise against trying to use brute force… It is not only useless, but it would also cause the Gate to fluctuate and you will end right into that SSS-ranked dungeon like your sister,” Marcos said, smiling as he said it. “This barrier was inherited from our ancestor, and I am sure it is sturdy enough to withstand your flimsy attacks for a while,” he said.
“BASTARD… That’s why you kept wanting me to use my dark touch earlier…” she cursed. Her strongest skill had a 48-hour cooldown. She used it earlier to dissolve the boulder at the entrance.
He shrugged. “I have been planning this for the last 20 years, ever since I hid the truth about the rediscovery of the gate!… So I had time to calculate for every contingency,” he said, starting a stupid exposition that he may have practiced before. “If you had just died from that poison, you could have spared me a lot of trouble…” he sighed, blaming his wife for all his troubles like every loser man would.
“WHAT! YOU WERE THE ONE BEHIND THAT?” Ann flared again. She was pretty sure she got the culprit, it was an agent for the Von Zwei family, but it seemed like the plot was thicker than she anticipated.
“Yup! I just had to look the other way as they plotted around you!” he smiled proudly.
“Then the second branch’s coup… You were the one behind it?” she asked, squinting her eyes.
“Yup, I just had to act as a mysterious master and give Antoni some aid… I had to weaken them a little, or the other branches would never trust me after you are gone,” he said. “I will make it up to him later…”
“BASTARD! YOU ARE SO DEAD!” she cursed. This man had no bottom line, hurting his own family for benefits.
“That is the same thing Ariana told me before I threw her into the dungeon to be locked forever!” he said with a nasty smile. “An hour from now you will be with her there, and I will be doing the same thing I did for her back then, shedding a few tears over you in front of the elders, promising that I will do the best to get you back! I am sure Olaf and the rest of the butlers will be sad… They will never know how much they helped me with my plot without realizing it! They would never guess that the bomb Antoni used was supplied by me so that they and the rest of your honorary guards will be temporarily out of service…” he laughed. “I am sure that the elders will sympathize with me… Hell, even the guardians might bless me!”
“IDIOT! Are you really going to sacrifice half of the family heirs for your petty desire to play king?” Ann, who seemingly calmed down a little, interrupted him. “Do you know how important the tournament is? IT WILL DECIDE THE FAMILY'S FUTURE!” she stated coldly. It was amazing how much control she had over her emotions. Victor had long noticed how she was squeezing her fist in anger, but she hid it well.
“You don’t need to worry about that… I am sure some factions would support me, and I already have another team ready for the tournament…” he said with a smile, not explaining anymore.
“What team?” Ann frowned. “And the orb is already destroyed! How are you going to fix that?” she asked.
“I already have another artifact and a better team…I am going to usher in a new era for the family!” he said, seemingly wanting to look in one direction, but quickly averting his gaze. “That’s all I am going to tell you…” he quickly added, prompting both Ann and Alfred who was acting inconspicuously like a mosquito on the wall to frown. This man couldn’t be working alone.
“So You are still afraid of me even after trapping me here, afraid that I will leave the dungeon one day and come kick your sorry ass into oblivion…” Ann said coldly.
“...” he was afraid. “You will never leave… We will make sure of that…” he said, as if assuring himself then turned to leave.
We?
“One last thing… How did you make me decide on this chamber for the heirs to gather in?’ Ann asked.
Marcos paused then smiled. “It is because you are a bitch who thinks you are too smart!” he said, not missing the chance to insult Ann. “I just have to give you a list of lousy choices and let you choose the best one…” he shrugged. Using the same method Victor used on Lily to make her agree to his future harem list. This was a trap for overconfident people.
“Then how did you poison the heirs? You were with me at all times!” she asked.
“That’s simple! We just had to spread some poison in the chamber beforehand!” Marcos said dismissively.
We again?
Wait… Victor frowned.
He had definitely appraised this chamber when entering, it had no poison. And some other heirs would have noticed it, so it couldn’t have been that. Marcos was being played too… IDIOT!
Victor quickly thought of something, hiding behind Kuu and Zoe, he activated his Fate eyes. This was going to be troublesome, but he had to eliminate the threads between the heirs one by one to find the right one before he left… He had a feeling that there was a snake in their midst.
Yes, earlier when the explosion that trapped them happened, someone nearby must be the one who caused it, as the walls of the mine would block any remote magical signals!
“Then what about your grandsons?” Ann decided to try a different angle. Marcos seemed to be a little scared of the 'Gate' and intended to leave and she needed to squeeze all the info possible out of him.
“What about them?” he frowned.
“Are you going to sacrifice them too? They could have been poisoned to death!” Ann asked.
“MY GRANDSONS?” Marcos who was laughing flared angrily, looking at Alice and Mike with disgust. “Those bastards have nothing to do with me… Do you think I never knew about you getting pregnant in that dungeon?” he flared. “Theodore was never my son! I ran the tests! I will make sure to kill that bastard at the first opportunity!” he snapped, making both Alice and Mike look at Ann with shock.
“Oh…” Ann frowned, ignoring the looks that the heirs were shooting her. Mike’s mouth was open wide enough to fit an entire apple. “So you knew…” she frowned. She made sure to keep this hidden, and when she hid something it should never be revealed. Someone was betraying her! The family needed a second round of cleansing.
“Of course I did… Despite you trying to sabotage the tests, I redid them in secret!” he said, his face flushing red. Ann has successfully enraged him. But still not enough.
“Well, that guy was way better than you… I just couldn’t resist trying a real man for once…” she shrugged. She also couldn’t resist licking her lip thinking about him.
“BITCH!” Marcos flared. “YOU THINK I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOUR OTHER RELATIONSHIPS WITH Nathanial, Harvey and what was that last one called… Yes, LIMOR… YOU BITCH ONLY KNOW HOW TO FUCK AROUND!” Marcos completely lost it. The self-discipline that he cultivated for the last 30 years was all gone in a second.
“I am telling the truth… It is all your fault… Someone pathetic like you can’t even make a prostitute fake a moan…” Ann added, insulting the fuck out of him. “I was just considerate enough to keep it a secret…”
“SHUT UP! YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN KEEP A FAMILY IN SECRET!” he finally flared. She was insulting his manhood!
“Oh…. You have other sons?” Ann raised one eyebrow. Really? How did he hide them?
“...” Marcos stepped back. He shouldn’t have revealed that.
“It is ok, Marcos… It is time to leave…” someone suddenly said as she walked behind Marcos. It was that ugly woman Tolin, the vice head of the chamber of secrets.
“TOLIN! SO IT WAS YOU!” Ann flared as she noticed how Tolin put her hand around Marcos’s waist like a lover would.
NAME: TOLIN VON WEISE CLASS: Poison Master, S ABNORMAL STATUS - Poison Lord’s minor blessing. AUTHORITY: 9 Strength: 211 Luck: 21 SKILLS : Bloodline: EQUIPMENT: FATE: FATE’S POWER: A DEFINED FATE: NONE DESTINY LIST < 10 ORDER POINTS TO UNVEIL> |
“Yes…” Tolin said, casually taking off a ring in her hand that she usually kept in her sleeves, then her shape began to change slowly from that of an old woman to that of a hot young one. “Marcos and I have been lovers for ages, from before he married you… And we have already built a secret family that will replace yours…” she said coldly, making Ann freeze in shock for the first time. She had never seen this coming. No wonder Marcos always makes trips to check on the mines!
SIGMA SHAPE SHIFTING RING, SS COMPLETELY CHANGE THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTE OF THE HOLDER. |
Victor on the other hand was frowning as he looked at the ring and then at Tolin. Earlier he was busy searching through the fate threads, but as soon as she appeared, a particular one stood out, one that he didn’t expect earlier. A mother and son fate thread. It make Victor look at the other end line…
HOLY SHIT…. He almost blurted out loud.
“YOU BITCH!” Ann flared.
“You are the only bitch here… “ Tolin replied without showing any emotions, “Oh, and Alfred, stop trying to secretly plant talismans on the walls, you look pathetic, this place is made out of sacred Iron, they will never work!” she said coldly.
“What? What is Sacred Iron?” Alfred who was found out quickly asked.
“Who knows…. “ Tolin shrugged and turned as if she was intending to leave.
“IF YOU THINK THAT MASTER BARLORD AND THE REST OF THE GUARDIANS WILL BE TRICKED… YOU WILL BE MISTAKEN!” Ann finally said, making Victor frown. He had never met the family guardians, but from what he knew, they were otherworldly beings who were hiding deep below the family’s island.
According to legend they swore allegiance to Nickolace and had been guarding the family ever since. They were the ones who stabilized Ann as the real family head.
Victor always wondered why they never appeared when the family collapsed back then. At first, he presumed that the Light lord was the one who subdued them, but they might have been taken care of long before!
Back then, Ann was killed by poison as Marcos, who became the controller of the family made a lot of changes… This was probably the reason Victor’s father stopped helping him back then, and this was why Mike died.
“Oh… Don’t worry about a group of old mummies, We…." Marcos began, but Tolin jabbed him.
“Enough! Let’s go… The men will activate the mechanism at any moment!“ Tolin said and dragged away Marcos who seemed to be a little reluctant and wanting to brag more. He could only give Ann one last look then leave.
“Say hi to Ariana for me…” Tolin spat before she disappeared.
“MARCOS YOU BASTARD, YOU ARE ONLY GOOD AT SUCKING PUSSY!” Ann flared. “NO! YOU ARE NOT EVEN GOOD AT THAT!” she yelled behind him, but he seemed to ignore her.
She frowned, Standing there, looking at the portal for the next few seconds, and then turned to look at the gate.
“Grandma… What should we do?” Mike asked nervously as Alfred turned to face her with a questioning look.
“Those bastards will detonate the Magma chamber… Make sure to survive! No dungeon goes unconquered!” Ann said as she took out a golden talisman and activated it. “I will avenge you…”
ESCAPE TALISMAN, SSS Teleport you 10 miles away. |
The bitch was escaping. This was her secret trump card. An ultra-rare talisman.
She vanished.
She appeared one foot to the left.
“What happened?” Bruno asked her.
“SHIT…” Ann said as she turned to look at the heirs with a complex look. She failed… Shit…
“Were you trying to…” Alfred began to say with a frown, but a glare from Ann stopped him.
“Everyone… Try to attack the barrier…” Ann finally showing signs of despair said, prompting everyone to ignore the portal and begin hurling attacks at the blue barrier that obstructed the entrance.
BANG!
BANG!
BANG…
The room began to shake with the attacks, and this time, no one cared about the portal that began to sway behind them... Their eyes were on the shimmering barrier that only flickered once in a while.
That was for the exemption of Victor who could have easily used his shadow-shifting skill to go behind and stop the barrier but chose not to reveal his powers. It would deactivate by itself when the time was right!
He had more important things to take care of!
He sneaked up behind Bruno who was also throwing some punches at a random wall and then struck the back of his head with a sharp needle, laced with the strongest non-lethal dose of Soul wine possible while activating his disguise.
Yes, Bruno was the secret agent. He was Both Marcos’s and Tolin’s son. Maybe one of many other secret offspring!
This bastard was playing stupid all along, tricking everyone into thinking he was an idiot! What a piece of …
No wait… Victor remembered that he was doing the same.
Anyway, Bruno was definitely the one who detonated the chamber’s entrance and poisoned those poor heirs… He even made sure to distract Ann the moment she entered the chamber, allowing Macros to slip away as she walked in. He was the last backup they had left here in case something unexpected happened.
As for the portal, he didn’t fear it as when no one noticed, he slipped his hand in his pocket and wore an extra Ring.
Degenerate Ring, F CURSED [ CAN ONLY BE REMOVED BY CUTTING CUTTING YOUR HAND AND MANLIHOOD! ] THE SYSTEM WILL NOT CONSIDER YOU A LIVING BEING… YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE YOU PIECE OF SHIT! |
Looking at Bruno who fell to the ground, Victor directly cut his hand using a sword that spread in his hand, but strangely enough, the Ring vanished and appeared in the other hand, cutting it, the ring vanished… Damn cursed rings!
Victor knew where it was, so with one last swift cut, Bruno became a eunuch and Victor got a dirty ring that he threw in his storage space.
He could have easily gotten it off with a cheap F rank dispelling Talisman as Bruno was planning to do, but he chose not to!
Finishing with that, Victor put a healing pill in Bruno’s mouth to stop the bleeding, then created a tracking fate thread on him before throwing him in the portal that was getting a little unstable…
He had no time to question him now as he was sure that as soon as Marcos and Tolin reached the upper level they would activate some mechanism to agitate the Magma or something, they must have already tested this before.
Sending one last message to his harem and Rita, who was no longer locked and had already sneaked out of the family lab with the cauldron. She was on her way out of the island.
Victor was ready.
“Take care of Kuu and the girls for me…. I will be back in a month or two…” he whispered in the busy Zoe’s ear.
“What?” Zoe asked.
“Grandma don’t worry!” Victor suddenly declared. “I have an S rank gate closing talisman that I got from the skeleton dungeon here!” he declared and jumped at the Portal as the busy Ann looked back. “It is 1,000,000 Coins! So make sure to….”
“DON’T…..” Ann wanted to warn him as those do not work on it as they tried them before…
Too bad it was too late as the dungeon suddenly expanded, swallowing Victor whole, and causing everyone to hurry to the chamber’s walls for shelter as the portal almost touched them, except it never did... It froze a few feet away from them.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
The portal imploded moments later, leaving an eerie silence.
"What just happened?" someone asked moments later.
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO......... YOUNG MASTER!"
"VICTOR!!!"
"Will he be ok?"
"Did that talisman really work?"
"FUCK!"
"Where is Bruno?"
"Damn... Marcos... YOU ARE SO DEAD!"
At least we found out who was working for the dark chamber in the Von weise family. TOLIN VON WEISE
And it seems like the Dark Chambers might be a Lord faction for the Poison Lord like the fate sect is for the Fate lord
So they are all going in and coming out of a lord's secret realm just to have a meeting.
I am wondering how does that even work. Can they enter from any place?
How do you figure that this links back to the Dark Chamber. Marcos even thinks that Olaf and some of the other servants will be sad about the loss of Ann?
Tolin only has a minor blessing, so if she is working under the Poison Lord she probably works for someone who works for someone who works for them. No-one else we have seen the statuses of from the Chamber have the Poison Lord's Blessing, so there is no reason to think Tolin + scheme to rule the Von Weise = Chamber is under Poison Lord
@KONASBUD
Maybe their position in the dark chamber lower than Olaf and they don't even know about him working for same organisation.
Marcos said twice about "them". Or them can be Zwei too. But that will include Rita's grandfather too. If they were in contact with patriarch, why go to some elder too.
@Vikass17
That's called the pronoun game, when the author wants you to believe they are talking about someone but they mean someone else so they only use pronouns when not needed. For the most part exclusive use of pronouns in internal monologs is always a misdirection.
As far as why would they approve multiple powers within a family? There a a ton of reasons, backup plans, as a counter to being betrayed, or to keep an eye on each other.
@KONASBUD Exactly I think dark Chamber work for blood lord. It was the only reason they much provicient in the bloodline. I think of Victor can do perfectly try to make some lord f*cking each other it will best
@Elcite69
I don't think they work for a blood lord either. I think if they work for a lord it is like how Lily's dad works for the fate lord in the future. He makes a deal with him a accomplishes a task but he isn't a direct subordinate that has sworn loyalty to him.
Again, no blessings. No mention of someone above them in their secret meetings. There is no indication they get directions from anyone, they seem to make their own plans and don't have to ask for approval.
My guess is the leader of the Chamber is a descendent of some fallin family, their base is some Ruin or special dungeon that you can come and go from, that that family had hidden. Maybe the family was destroyed by the Council like the Von Richter, and they set up some kind of Akatski like organization with powerful people from all different powers.
Poison Lord needs to get a major spanking. How dare they Scheme with Victors family, only Victor is allowed to do that!!
Makes me wonder. Did Tolin get a blessing from the poison lord before her awakening, to get the Poison Master S class. Or did she get the blessing afterwards.. S ranked classes from the Von Weise awakening orb is quite rare as it was pretty shit.
@HappyBird I don't know why people dis the old Von Weiss awakening artefact so much. It was a lot better than its Rank lets on (It was A-Rank according to Victors appraisal in CH 113).
The awakening orb had the downside of having a low Authority limit (max 5999pts/1000pts/Auth=max 5Auth) it can bestow, however it had the HUGE upside of allowing you to choose your class and skills. Seriously, the Von Weiss were total morons for not making use of that fact to mass-produce high-ranked classes. Seriously, the Orb is the only awakening artefact so far, that allows the awakened to select his own class from a list.
And before people complain: Yes, Victors skill allows him to choose the class of a person he awakens with it, but his skill is not an artefact
@KONASBUD It's obvious that the Dark chamber works for the Dark Lord.
@SuperPerforator
They haven't witnessed many other awakenings, and compare them to the few outrageous examples they have seen. The mirror some talismans and Victor's skill.
First off Victor's skill is F class but it's Victor so he probably cheated it. The mirror is S-class and gives a lot of authority and has a 100 percent succes rate but doesn't seem to include an option to select a class. Dungeon Awkening are hit and miss but again no choice and you have to survive a dungeon at level 0. All we have witnessed is low level dungeons with experienced players. Odds are Dungeon awakenings usually lead to death.
The other awakenings that have been alluded too are much worse than the Orb of the bloody virgin. Andreas magic lake gave meh classes and authority. The Flying Myth Sect's requires magical beast remains, not easy to get, and awakens a lot of semi-players, leading to a weak sect. The Von Geldstadt's only awaken to merchant classes. The Von Rosen's only awaken summoner classes. It is hinted at that the Von Zwei's primary artifact is no better if not worse than the Orb.
Monica's family can only be used by her family members who have awkenend their bloodlines.
Most one time use artfacts/talismans seem to give pretty good results, but 1 time use and no choice in class. It is important to note that Victor's skill comes from an S class example so it down grade to F class seems to primary be about the cool down.
The Orb all in all is a pretty good Awkening artifact, it's draw backs seem to be you don't start with a ton of authority and a high threshold to fully awaken.
@KONASBUD Yes it can be. But tear the scammed girl before want to seduce Victor cousin failed. And if my guess corect they do because of Lily father can't find their base. And tear have mission to collect many bloodline from this world and it help with some blood lord agent. There's no hint that they work for them or maybe just the very super VVIP one have blessing. Remember dark Chamber have 10 leader and we still don't who they are. So dark Chamber is definitely work for blood lord. Some agent. Maybe they don't have blessing because they just some servant for him. I have some guess about one of dark Chamber leader in von Weiss maybe it was Frank bill grandpa or one of the guardian. Olaf is just servant for them. He said earlier that he must sent report to his boss. So yeah, they just high rank servant who collect many information. And Ann don't know about him ckckck
@SuperPerforator yes and this orb include fate power to exchange as point. I think this orb is good one. You can select your class, your authority, your skill, attribute and all of them because of your point you get.
@KONASBUD that still doesn't explain, why the Von Weiss never used the upsides of the Orb to their advantage. Remember, the awakening candidates go into the ceremony blind! All they got told is: "put as much into authority as you can!" and that's it. They never had candidates perform actions that may lead to better classes in preparation. They at most have all heirs do the basic bloodline training (which should give Martial Arts aptitude points during the awakening).
If they wanted, they could probably ensure that every servant awakens as at least a semi-player if the following conditions are met :
- being Virgin at the ceremony (500pts)
- being Human (30pts)
- being alive (10pts)
- being young (200pts for the age Victor awakened)
- Sufficient Martial arts training for all servants (enough for another 260pts)
Since Victor saw his point list during the awakening process (technically before he awakened), everyone should be able to see his/her own list of points.
So why did the family never try to maximize the gains? Asking how many points the awakened players got for what does not sound that difficult for a world-leading family.
@SuperPerforator
I agree. They do have them train I martial arts and stay virgins which are the only things they can control. Tgey don't tell them about the player world at all until right before the ceremony which seems consistent with nearly every other family so that may limit what they can tell them. I'm guessing that is a council rule. But yeah preparation for the ceremony does seem ad hoc at best.
@HappyBird
We don't know if family knew her class or she hid it. If she hid it , how did she hide it from that stone thing?
@SuperPerforator Limit was 4999 and people without bloodline, who learned martial arts their whole life and were virgin , died too. 8 out of 10. Even people from family with bloodline died half the time
@Vikass17 Victor got 1500pts for his 100% pure bloodline (0% awakened). I am not sure how it scales with less purity. If it scales linearly you need about 17,33% purity for 260pts. It was mentioned, that the death rate of heirs during the awakening was about 10%. (Probably lower)
My guess is, the dead heirs were lazy and never performed the family art to increase their blood purity and martial arts aptitude.
Supporting your point, however is Victors cousin Ron: He died during his first lifetime during the awakening, however he survived this time because his jealousy caused his bloodline to awaken slightly.
It is possible that Ron was born with a barely present bloodline (maybe less than 5%) and was actually lazy and only considered himself a genius because he compared himself with Victor, who couldn't advance his bloodline training due to his bloodline purity.
@KONASBUD
Don't forget Victor did train in martial arts his whole life and was in great shape, but it was based on potential:
His potential was poor and only got 7 points.
He never trained his mystic arts potential, but he still got 320 from that.
So it is based on genetic predilection. this would mean that everyone would need expensive Wuxia medicine to raise their "Potential" in order to become a semi player and not die.
@Blueneck666 Did he? Wasn't there a kind of backlash from him using the family art despite him having a pure bloodline that weakened his health (or body)?
I could imagine him barely being able to do training because of that.
When Victor said the part about training, wasn't it him bragging?
@SuperPerforator
Bragging doesn't mean lying. He couldn't advance in the family art doesn't mean he didn't train in martial arts. Elena trains in martial arts. When Victor lies about stiff like this the author always writes "he lied".
@KONASBUD you know, lying has sooooooo many variations. Also, the phrase "training in martial arts his whole life" is still (somewhat) true, if he trains 10seconds per day, or maybe on every 29th of February for x seconds. (just to give an extreme example).
It is also possible, that the side-effects of his family arts negated his gains from training.
@SuperPerforator
Yeah the negation is blue necks point.
But no bragging and lying are in no way synonyms. Also why would he lie in his internal monolog.
@Blueneck666
He only had 7 strength, because he was incompatible with their family arts . Because his blood was already 100% pure , so family arts only made him weaker.
He learned all kinds of mystic arts in royal library for more than 100 years.
Nothing genetic or potential medicine related.
@KONASBUD
That is an option, but I was thinking that Because of the way mystic potential was calculated it might be inborn.
I mean Victor knows how to fight, and is in shape. (very good shape according to women) but he still got a seven.
There are 2 options, and i lean towards option 1 because of the following:
1. inborn talent that requires appropriate wuxia medicine to improve.
1 - A. Pure Bloodline was incompatible with martial art and might have burned away his potential that he was born with.
1 - B. Death of members of family is still high even with the boost of a bloodline. Even if the point boost is exponential, Ron was supposed to Die, when he had reached a relatively high level with the art (his father was gloating) with a good foundation. If he hadn't partially awakened his blood out of jealousy, he would be dead. So this implies that his blood purity is pretty low, the points from the bloodlines is either exponential (or bonus points for being perfectly pure, maybe +1000) and his inborn talent for martial arts were what was measured (and he did hard work to get where he was.)
2. Potential is built by foundation.
2 - A. Pure Bloodline was incompatible with martial art and burned away his foundation that he built.
2 - B. Sufficient foundation may require extremely good martial art or compatible martial Art based on inborn nature in order to build foundation to sufficient levels for Orb of the bloody Virgin to NOT kill you. And Servants are taught a martial art good for defending their masters, or their goals which may not be compatible with their bodies/constitutions. While the heirs martial art may not be compatible with their bodies/constitutions and barely compatible with their blood.
@Vikass17
So what you are saying... is that the heirs might need 100 years of martial arts training to get the proper foundation to survive with 320 points added to their martial potential and survive?
@Blueneck666 he was skinny prior to awakening, his body improved after awakening.
A couple of people are arguing different things here, thinking they are arguing the same thing.
Victor did train martial arts his while life but didn't get the same results because. Training in the family art May have hurt his potential so he scored less in the martial arts potential.
The family does have heir candidates train in martial arts/family arts and stay virgins to boost their chances at awakening because that is all they can really control. But no they don't really sit them down and explain the exact details of why they do it, they just tell them it will help with their ceremony.
@KONASBUD Victor did put his points in all attributes except Authority, the effect of increases Charm and Strength probably had the effect on giving him an attractive and fit body.
@KONASBUD
I was just saying to him , there is no wucxia medicine to fix anything.
Obviously people are not born equal. So they have different potential. But that doesn't need any medicine, because stats are changing body and intelligence for better with every level up.
If it doesn't change with whole body , where is this potential hiding.
@Vikass17
What he is saying the system is making a determination on your potential, you could probably influence that number within certain parameters by exercising and training in martial arts but is probably only moving the needle a bit withing your bandwidth.
There actual is a "wuxia" (xianxia) medicine that affects potential, he gave it to Lara.
@KONASBUD 1. It is already shown that Marcos is an idiot that doesn't known what to do on his own and probably doesn't know anything apart that he will be the leader of the family
2. Two it was hinted that one of the leaders was female, from the Von weise and has a high position in the family.
3. Tolin's position is similar to that lady from the fate sect that came for Victor's wedding, they both have Lords' blessing.
4. Earlier in the beginning Victor killed Derek or whatever his name( branch head of the assassin girls), he tried give Victor a rare kind of poison which is almost impossible for the family to have.
5. To have a MAJOR blessing from a Lord was implied that you have high fate/scion and become their disciple.
@SuperPerforator
Well yeah, the thing is he has out right stayed that he has trained martial arts his while life. He also said that his body was skinny and sickly prior to his awakening. And then when the girls were admiring him it was because of his training and his awakening.
I'm not arguing that this is inconsistent or that it makes no sense. I think it makes perfect sense.
Again original argument, the family doesn't prepare the heirs enough to do well with the ord.
Counter, they have them stay virgins and train in martial arts/family arts, that all they can really do to affect the results, but no they don't really explain why.
Response. Victor didn't train because it harmed him.
Counter, Victor did train, he didn't advance and didn't know it was hurting his potential.
Response, wasn't he lying.
Counter no.
A bunch more stuff
Counter it's martial arts POTENTIAL not ability
You see where I'm going with this. The conversation gotvits own legs and points started getting mixed up.
@Blankhawk woman in the wedding didn't have minor blessing and she was fate lord's priestess too.
Minor blessing is like low level servant.
@Blankhawk
1 when was it shown that Marcos is an idiot and doesn't know what to do? Ann has veen in charge and has led the family fo the brink of ruin. Marcos played the fool in the fight with his brother but that was part of his scheme, when Victor does it we call him smart. I do think Marcos is a fool who is being played, but no on fact that hasn't been shown in any way.
2. Is this a counter point to something? If so I'm going to need context. Are you talking about the Chamber? Yeah I'm the one who started the whole the third or fourth master off the Chamber is probably a Von Wesie, and I suspected it was Ariana and gave reasons so it makes sense that Tolin (Ariana's fill in) could be that person but it is far from established.
3. Okay, so is your argument that 1 person you suspect works for the Chamber had a Minor blessing so the while Chamber works for the poison Lord? Mirage worked for the Fate sect and had the Greater Blessing of the Fate Lord. Also we've seen appraisals of other Chamber members and non have had a blessing.
4. d*ck had a poison, half of the charters in the novel have used rare poisons. d*ck is an assasin that works for the Chamber the Chamber has shown they have all kinds of things others don't. It's suspicious but is far from a smoking gun. d*ck wasn't blessed.
5. Again Mirage had a greater blessing. Tin has an A fate. Tolin and a minor blessing. Nobody is arguing that Tolin isn't involved with the Poison Lord, but it is far from a fact that she is a part of the Chamber and the Chamber works for the Poison Lord. There are some flags that indicate she may be a lower disciple and also be part of the Chamber. But neither is concrete with the Chamber being g less so.
The awakening orb actually had 3 condition for its use (see CH 113): Virgin, Alive and Human.
Now I don't know what will happen if those 3 conditions are not met. It either just didn't awaken them, or it outright killed/deleted them. I think the latter is more likely and it would also neatly explain the 10% death rate of heirs. Horney teenagers always find a way screw around and they never admit their mistakes. They were either not virgin because they screwed around, not alive, if undead walking like the living is a thing, or not human (like a demon who tried to infiltrate the family).
While the Potential in our world indicates something that can't be changed, In a magical world, I would not consider it immutable. If Potential here is not immutable it is very likely, that Victors training increased his martial arts potential, however his trying to use the family arts destroyed any progress he made.
Well the entire point is somewhat moot, since the Orb is destroyed. We are just arguing about it to determine where the family would be on the competency scale from 0 to 10 (where 0 means IQ barely enough to keep breathing and 10 means can scheme against everyone in the world at the same time and succeed. The Von Weiss are currently between -3 and -2. (too stupid to keep themselves alive).
@SuperPerforator
Well put.
They used to still perform the ritual on non virgins who broke the rule. The best guess is they just didn't get the points and lead to worse results in some cases death.
That brings up the point that we've talked about before, virginity is no longer a requirement will the family maintain the requirement as a tradition. The best guess is yes because they can still increase their bloodline purity which still ahas benefits.
The Human requirement is interesting because they supposedly aren't completely human and they get point for the more pure their nonhuman bloodlines are.
@KONASBUD
Virginity should still be included as a rule because the stress for anyone who has the enhanced libido (from the bloodline) actually helps them awaken their bloodline
@Blueneck666
I think so too. I'm not sure it just the stress though, losing their virginity might prevent them from increasing their blood purity. At least through the family art.
But theoretically these should stay virgins until they awake their Bloodlines. Prior to the Orb breaking they stay virgins because it helped them get better results at their ceremony
Virgin point higher bloodline purity/awakening. If bloodline was the reason they stayed virgins the should have stayed that way until they awakened their Bloodlines, not left for orgies immediately following the ceremony.
Hopefully, explaining the benefits in the diary will lead them to continue the tradition.
@KONASBUD @SuperPerforator
Being human is not a requirement. I think it just detects the race and give points accordingly.
If someone was something else , maybe they will get more or less points. Or maybe someone set it on human.
@Vikass17 Appraisal of the Orb from CH 113:
Orb of the Bloody Virgin ( Awakening ARTIFACT )
A-Rank.
Test potential and awaken PLAYERS.
CONDITIONS:
TEST POINTS
It clearly differentiate between Conditions and test-points.
I think conditions MUST be met, otherwise the tested person dies, regardless of points. That could explain the unusually high death-rate of heirs, considering that the family arts increases their bloodline purity by about 1~5% per year (see CH 110).
@SuperPerforator
The death rate isn't unusually high though.
I'm with you I read it the same way, but we know they have their non vigin heirs perform the ceremony and don't expect them to die, they just think the odds are much higher for them to die. Maybe it is because there are multiple people performing the ceremony the artifact activates and takes everyone in but if only non virgins were in range it wouldn't activate? Who knows. Maybe it's just poorly worded.
@SuperPerforator
It means someone made it after coming in this world. Because I don't think these families are capable enough of making something like this. That's why they are crazy for these awakening artifacts.
They can't even repair it.
@Akaichi
There should be some story behind in or you should change it to Humanoid.
@Vikass17 there is no reason to believe human don't live in multiple worlds. The world Victor is going to has humans. It doesn't say earthlings, or what ever the name of the planet they are from is.
@KONASBUD
But still it's weird that an otherworldly elder dragon would search and find this artifact, instead of keeping his own.
Maybe they really did find it inside a ruin. Imagine a single orb made a huge family and only people who could use it , found it. Normal people wouldn't even survive mostly.
@KONASBUD I can't remember non-virgins using the orbs, do you have a reference?
I remember, that it was mentioned that a bloodline does not change the race of a person. Also, other races exists, as Alexis appraisal in CH 329 shows her race as a Noble Phoenix. I am confident, that Alexis would have been rejected by the awakening orb.
If the Orb was brought in by Nicolas to help the people of this world, it would make sense, that it rejects non-humans. It is possible, that he brought it with him more than 10.000years ago and lost it in the mine sometime later. It is was excavated again about 1.500years ago. Though that will beg the question: What did the Von Weiss do during the period the Orb was lost.
@SuperPerforator
The other wasn't brought in by Nick he found it, at least 8,500 years after the war with the demons.
They planned to have Luke go threw the ceremony even prior to the loss if the Orb. They make it seem like it's something that pops up from time to time.
He outright states that humans exist on the world he is going to. I am aware Alex is a Phoenix. All high level beings have a human form. That doesn't change the fact that humans live in multiple worlds. It's pretty common in the genre.
@Vikass17
Why do you assume Nick was anything special. He could have just been some random mob teen, in his original world. He probably had no accomplishments in the war, honestly could have actually been the mix child of a random mob dude.
Anyways, 8,500 or so years afte5 the war he and some bros go to the site of a long Fallin power and sift through the remnants, he finds an awakening artifact starts a little harem. He probably found a lot more than just the one artifact. Over time his family gets stronger and other powers fall, 1,500 years later they are ranked number 2 and an absolute moron is now in charge of the family.
My point that timeline wise the Von Weise start a long time after the war, the Archipelago and the orb doesn't have to be originally a Nick from another world thing. I'd say it's actually less likely that Nick a dude who died of old age was anyone all that special during the first demon war.
@KONASBUD
He could help even SSS ranked Victor after Victor consumed his bones. So he can't be a complete mob. AAA or more powerful maybe. There can be B, C rank bloodlines too in every world .
@Vikass17
First, I'm not guaranteeing he is a mob, I'm just saying he could be. Second the remains of a full dragon may have different effects than a blooline holder. Next, I guess it depends on what we are considering a mob, just some average lizard that was low level during the war (relatively speaking) and spent nearly 10,000 years leveling up after it before establishing the family? Or maybe just a dragon human hybrid, 1st generation?
My point is, there is a big gap between. When the Von Weise were established and the war woth the demons. We are told Nick found the Orb in the mines, it is reasonable to assume some truth to that and the original owner of the mine was a much older power, maybe with a more powerful ancestor. He'll I could be Aria's ancestor she has a powerful bloodline.