"Come in," said Angel.
"Come in," said Angel.
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Yet another book I will be checking daily for updates lol
It's great so far, keep it up (:
I will update it on weekend.
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Thank you for the story!
Ok this somehow explains why he did not kill illex and the king but the logic is false, no prolong war they already wone (maybe 2-3 more battle some political maneuvering and of war entc)toke the capital etc but for the plot sake i can go behind this so i APOLOGIES for making conclusions to early but the rest of my post from the previous chapter stays.
Once the king died in a war, this what happens.
Second Arc Chapter 66.
Actually, he does not want to kill any royal family, because if he killed them then a power struggle would occur. The nobles will compete with each other to take the throne, chaos will occur everywhere due to their competition and of course, people will be neglected and have no protectors. Whereas if he takes the king position as his own, the aristocracy's structure will change. All the nobles in that kingdom had to hand over their title and become a commoner, which would possibly trigger a long war.
So the only way out is by the statement.
@Nanakawaichan Hmmm it can happen but also that's why i wrote some political maneuvering,he finds a noble whit enough power and influence convince him to take the throne and he is gonna be his backer, that's enough for the other nobles to stay put in the surface and whit time he can fix the rest.u want him to make changes without bloodshed that's impossible and only in fairy tail u can see those things happen
He knew he wouldn't be able to do this without bloodshed. He could only avoid unnecessary sacrifices, both for the civilians and his soldiers.
About political maneuver, I will put simply, if he can make the king of the kingdom he conquered to cooperate, everything will be easier (both for aristocracy and winning the people's hearts). That's why he uses the stick and carrot political strategy. He conquered then helped them, the enemies will confuse. The more he helps to fix the kingdom he just conquered, the people and nobles will begin to depend on him (Or sometimes he just needs to solve one big problem). Their logic starts to change from enemy to ally, in the end they will submit to him without him needing to become a dictator.
Combined with his other strategies (devide and conquer) those who hate him will be taken care of by people who have already sided with him and even the king himself will also step in to fix this problem (because of the statement and for his kingdom peace).
@Nanakawaichan So i still gonna argue and i would like to say that this is not a criticism on the novel or any attempt to change how mc thinks or do thinks. this is just my point of view why this would not work
Before i continue ther is one thing. HE IS A KING which means he makes the rules he has the final saying and some time he needs to act as a dictator but doing what i told u before dose not make him a dictator
First of all his enemies are not stupid they can also use this to outmaneuver him and paint him as the devil in the eyes of the civilians which is an easy task given he was the one conquering other kingdoms. Some information manipulation and the civilians would believe he is the devil, the kings then need to find some of their trusted nobles build up some strength in secret and just drow out Mc after some time. This is not far-fetched because u left his enemies which are the kings and all the royal families in power.this is just one of manny treason why u never leave the enemy in power and i can found a million ways to make mc loke stupid whit this tactic.
1.Actulie the only kingdom it can work is Asteria. reasons even before he became king the nobles wanted him to become king. after he conquered it and the nobles fiend out about what the king and illex did they were not pleased,he could get the noble back him of removing the king and charge them of war crime unite or find another king, and the nonsense of making noble civilians is not valid.he is the king and he makes the rules
2.In Draconis this can not work. The king enjoys total trust from his people and the nobles even he is an angel (not his name) they will never submit under his rule, they just gonna buy time and fight back when the time comes, even if u made the king promises he would help it just forced plot and lovering the king intelligence to simply submit to it and help him. draconian only needs time and can free him self also to fight back
3.Zephyrus it is the most complicated situation, incompetent king where half of the nobles against him,te people are rebels etc don't see reason why he needs to be the king except for Rose or making every other noble more unlikable then the king is.
Combined with his other strategies (devide and conquer) those who hate him will be taken care of by people who have already sided with him and even the king himself will also step in to fix this problem (because of the statement and for his kingdom peace).
If u mean the king of Dragonies this statement is invalid.If he wanted peace he never would try to conquer Euphorion and the ENEMIES ARE THE KINGS them self.If u mean the king of Zephyrus,he is a selfish,power loving king hou would sell his nice use her to different princes, use here influence to stay in power,he gonna find a way to go agenst Mc
AND abow all else if he wanted to avoid sacrifices he should never start a war. Sory war and politics are dirty and no ruler or king that starts a war has clean hends of unnecessary sacrifices.its part of war even today there will always be sacrifices.In my opinion, he became an incompetent king ho ca not finish what he started because he is afraid AGEN to dirty his hand whit blood so he tries to play mind games and hope it works or his own kingdom gonna suffer but yeh this is a novel so it gonna work and he would stay clean.
@Lord_Grimm End also on more thin,it was a long time ago but u write it somewhere that this would be deferred kingdom novel where the princesses would also go to battle etc.in the end it is just like the rest wher they are used as political tools nothing more which is disappointing for me,im a male but i like to read about strong female characters that break the rules of sociality and stand side by side whit mc.To be honest i started to read because of that and rose was promising in the end she became like all other just a tool later stayed for MC, and now waiting for the romance hoping he's not gonna get NTR
Change the noble into civilian if the king dead is some kind of the war's rule. It's same as this world age of marriage is 21 (yea, I write it the king can get married before it but the king is the only exception. So he must choose 21+ girl. The woman and her family have the right to refuse if she is under that age. Likewise, asking another nobleman's wife to become his wife is also not allowed. If not it's the same as King Xenos, many people will be angry with him and there was a possibility to trigger a new rebellion). Also there will always be sacrifices and he knows it, he only reduced it.
For this war, it was actually Asteria who started, not him. He attacked Draconis and Zephyrus because he had found evidence of their involvement and their potential to become enemies. So he destroyed it first before he lost other cities like Pearl Gate City.
In fact, his tactics proved successful in the real world. A country managed to colonize my country with the same tactics (carrot and stick combine, divide and conquer) for 3 centuries+. They conquered some of our kingdoms with different backgrounds and aristocracies, tied the kings and the nobles with statements (if the king didn't want it, he would be killed along with his family and replaced it with a puppet king. Just like what the MC planned for Zephyrus). Resistance remains, but far less than when our country fell to another, more sadistic, colonialist (who ended up for only a few months). The funny thing is that sadistic colonialist finally opened our eyes to fight for our independence because we were not supposed to submit to the invaders. So when the previous colonialist came back everyone united and fought tooth and nail, not submit like before.
I also combined some of his war tactics with my country's history's war tactics (believe me, there is one absurd war tactic that makes you think this is nonsense even for fantasy stories. Absurd enough that could make you said WTF?! But it was done in the real world and it worked. Even the king who used that war tactics was successful to build his kingdom and make his kingdom as the biggest and strongest in my country history).
About Rose, I'll write it more later in arc three. She is a handfull woman who wants freedom and tends to break the rules. But she is not a woman who doesn't know the situation and conditions. She knows when to thank you, the MC has already spared her life 2x and killed the spies and her family's assassin in front of her. At least it had a lot of impact on her and led her into confusion. In the end, the MC has to conquer her heart, because if only her body she would bring a lot of trouble to the MC.
I know there will be a lot of argument about this story because I take a lot of politics and diplomacy into the story line. Conquering and killing the enemy king is something that is often encountered in other stories and I'm not interested in creating a same story line. So I wrote a lot about how a king thinks and his considerations, as well as his internal struggle. How the people think 'it's stupid' or 'that's cruel' but actually there are other reasons behind it. I didn't plan on making him a perfect king because humans have flaws after all. Neither did I plan to turn him into a good-hearted evil king. He is just a king who has a bad past, a hard worker who thinks of his people and tries to learn to love as simple as that.
But I'm just saying, it's nice to see someone who is interested in politics and war strategy like you since I rarely find it on this site
@Nanakawaichan Hope, u don't mind that i still arguing it has mostly nothing to do whit the novel any more;) if u find it annoying just say it
Change the noble into civilian if the king dead is some kind of the war's rule
As i said he is a KING whit the support of the nobles he can change the rules without any backslash, and honestly, not a single noble would argue not changing this rule.
For this war, it was actually Asteria who started, not him. He attacked Draconis and Zephyrus because he had found evidence of their involvement and their potential to become enemies. So he destroyed it first before he lost other cities like Pearl Gate City.
Yes but information manipulation can do wonders the masses is easy to manipulate, and he marched into other territories the civilians would believe their monarch over a conquerer.(except if the conquerer is smarter and uses inf. manipulation much bater)
About Rose, I'll write it more later in arc three. She is a handfull woman who wants freedom and tends to break the rules. But she is not a woman who doesn't know the situation and conditions. She knows when to thank you, the MC has already spared her life 2x and killed the spies and her family's assassin in front of her. At least it had a lot of impact on her and led her into confusion. In the end, the MC has to conquer her heart, because if only her body she would bring a lot of trouble to the MC.
I wrote about here a couple of times why I'm disappointed in her character,a promise of a strong FL that will not succumb to generic monarch rules,a smart woman whit brains, and actually, i hoped she would not be tossed around like a tool buy here loving Uncle,But sorry in the end when she agreed of the marriage (actually i understand the logic behind her actions, still there were other options but i guess u did it to introduce a love rival for the next arc which i dont like ;)) all my hopes of a strong,smart and independent Fl are gone.
I also combined some of his war tactics with my country's history's war tactics (believe me, there is one absurd war tactic that makes you think this is nonsense even for fantasy stories. Absurd enough that could make you said WTF?! Blob JoyBut it was done in the real world and it worked. Even the king who used that war tactics was successful to build his kingdom and make his kingdom as the biggest and strongest in my country history).
So about this tactic in real life hmm i can think of to or 3 examples but I'm rusty it was a long time i read history books but the 2 most notable i remember Rome vs Gale and Alexander the great against the greeg free city-states (or was his father)?I should check it out but i remember The Cesar of that era was successful whit those tactics for a short time,it helpt him conquer the 3 Gale tribe and kip them in chek still they work in the shadows and made rebellion 1-2 time, in the end, he needed to bloody his hands a little more both in the light and in the shadows and failed a couple of times.it works for a short time, yes but in the long run no its always just a beginning tactic for the final solution to minimize the risk, but if u don't finish it it never stays for a long time (2-3 year max whit more partys involved ).for the Greek s i think it was much more smoother buy making them each other enemies and alies at the same time and i the end-all of the positions we're changed that supported Alexander,so he did what i wrote in a comment.But my history is rusty so i need to chek it out one day and maybe im not correct 100%
I know there will be a lot of argument about this story because I take a lot of politics and diplomacy into the story line. Conquering and killing the enemy king is something that is often encountered in other stories and I'm not interested in creating a same story line. So I wrote a lot about how a king thinks and his considerations, as well as his internal struggle. How the people think 'it's stupid' or 'that's cruel' but actually there are other reasons behind it. I didn't plan on making him a perfect king because humans have flaws after all. Neither did I plan to turn him into a good-hearted evil king. He is just a king who has a bad past, a hard worker who thinks of his people and tries to learn to love as simple as that.
it's not a bad thing its a good thing,it gives more depth to the story and also insight of the workings of the world,and my problem was never that or is he bad, good, evil but he doses not act like he supposed to act in a some situation and he became some one the almost like others can push around just to avoid sacrifices it this last 10-20 chapters for me he lost his charisma of a king that stands above all and without that he is no king in my opinion, And nother thing he listening to his emotions buy not making sacrefices yet whit Rose he always says he need not listen to his emotion ,that is too much contravertion.Also frost and the spirits the king before they let him do as he plies but whit Arthur they always remind him to check his emotions?
But I'm just saying, it's nice to see someone who is interested in politics and war strategy like you since I rarely find it on this site
Thx what can i say els, i love to read and I'm interested in almost everything
@Lord_Grimm And yeh i would love to hear that story of the absurd tactics maybe i can implement in one of my strategy games (i am just curius as hell xD )
@Lord_Grimm you can read it. Actually, I using a little of it when the MC is attacking Asteria. By take down the Asterian Army bit by bit (and trap some of it in the South Point Town). While he attacks the capital.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java
Wijaya asked the Yuan forces to come to his country unarmed, as the princesses could not stand the sight of weapons.
Two hundred unarmed Yuan soldiers led by two officers were sent to Raden Wijaya's country, but on 19 April Raden Wijaya quickly mobilized his forces again and ambushed the Yuan convoy.
I will say this is absurd. I mean how could they fell for it? But hey, the history write it. There were actually some that were not written there, such as Wijaya taking the yuan soldiers through the forest where yuan cavalry had to leave their horses and walk. And Wijaya's forces ambushed by using the advantages of terrain there (This inspire me to make the MC lead the troops to Asteria via The Death Forest).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raden_Wijaya
For King of Euphorion arc, this where I get inspiration from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Arok
I replaced that evil kris to Angelus sword 'Nightmare' and the dark crystal. And as you can read there's almost NTR (I can't call it a NTR tho if you read it in the Queen wiki) in our history. This is also what inspire me to make Rose character.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dedes
This is what inspired me to make a war between Zephyrus and Euphorion which finally made the MC realize that Princess of Zephyrus is Rose.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bubat
And this where I get inspiration for my MC .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayam_Wuruk
and this is Frost.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gajah_Mada
Well, actually I made the MC a mix of the two of them, since the MC was the one who led the war
Yea... Most of this story is basically inspired by my country history.
For Rose in arc three, I will not make a story about how Rose must survive in the middle of envy noble women. I will write it since it will unavoidable, but just a little. Because from Rose is not the type to care about women's rumours let alone bullied (She is not afraid of the MC even though she knows the MC is much stronger than her. She would not care about the noble women who could only make rumors or talk bad about her)
@Nanakawaichan "If it's stupid and it works, it isn't stupid," let me start whit this quote. Hands down this is one of the stupidest trick that work and not because Raden Wijaya was a genius but because the 2 other generals were manipulated flawlessly by him.(so Raden Wijaya maybe really was a genius) shame he was not able to fool the 3 general that would be a total defeat for the Mongols. Actually using the time they thought to gather in the war to gain so much trust of the 2 generals to unconditionally believe him vell....ho know how he did it in what conditions but still yeh if i read this in a novel i would ride at least 2 books of criticism how stupid is the plot
So u give me some homework to check out the history of the Indonesian archipelago, it sounds really interesting, also i need to acknowledge never thought about reading about it but now u pick my interest whit this
by the definition, there was no NTR because the previous king was killed buy Ken Arok before he took Ken Dedes as his wife and there where she probably had no choice also too little information on here to make any conclusion how she acted before and after ect. whit this limited information the only similarity i can see is both have a beauty that makes man lust for them and do illogical things in critical moments.i gonna research on here more on the net i found here interesting even whit this litle information.Also int the novel Angelr was not ntr yet because except for having feelings for Rose they were not in a relationship and it would be political suicide allowing rose to marry her former fiance cant remember his name or don't want to ;)
And about Frost, the perfect name for someone that would abstain from all earthly pleasures, and as i see he is still a very important figure in Indonesian culture hope he would note make the same mistake whit rose what he did in real life whit the princes :)
And about Ken Arok I'm conflicted, i loved Angels character more until 20 chaps ago then the real-life one, but hey its note a stuped saying that man rules the world and woman rules the man or something similar
And thanks for the information,gote some new things to check out when i feel bored
Also side note uhh those names its so f*cking hard to remember them
@Lord_Grimm Angelus Raizel model is Hayam Wuruk not Ken Arok. So you can see it, he conquer so many place and kingdom. Also I made it similar to the real king history (Hayam Wuruk took the throne at 16 years old, Angel took the throne at 17 years old) Moreover he didn't take Euphorion throne because of Lady Belle.
@Nanakawaichan ok I'm hiding under the table when i writing this out of shame, don`t judge me to badly plss got too much interested in his story and my brain made the connection because of the let's call it romance and the kris uh I'm so good ad making excuses i proud of my self
@Lord_Grimm But it's great to find people who are interested in my novel to the point of checking where my inspiration comes from.
@Nanakawaichan I'm still ashamed so just gonna write some few words and hide in a dark corner for the rest of of the night. It al thx to you, as i sad this is a hidden gem on this site and it a shame it is not on tranding much more often (well no smut tag. its the key for tranding on this site)its not groundbreaking or genius sorry but it has something that most novel laks even hard book covered book on the shelf and that's constant entertainment, good plot, and characters.
So my wish for you for this year ist that much more people will discover this novel and to make them drown into the story as it did to mechers and happy new year once agen
I am waiting patiently for that!!
Eh? For what?
@Nanakawaichan The end of there long fight! Short, his vengeance)
@FarS96 Be patient my friend. Look at that infinity sky... (We need to get in arc three, fallen heart to get there.) So it still long journey...
@Nanakawaichan Didn’t you tell it was ZERO ARC instead of fallen heart.
@Gogeta123 Zero Arc is light and dark. Original Fallen Heart is his past+little bit his art of war(without political meeting) +fallen heart itself