“Did it work?”
“Did it work?” Kerr echoed tiredly, one hand resting on her swollen belly. “I’d say it fucking worked. The whole ‘build up’ thing these collars do is insane…”
Jadis had to agree. She knew from previous experience with the collar that not only would her inevitable climax be delayed, but when it was finally unleashed after being pent up for so long, it would be an explosive finish. Jadis had no idea how much cum she had poured into Kerr, Eir, and Sabina when she’d climaxed, the three who she had happened to have been deep inside when the collars’ effects had finally expired, but all three women looked overstuffed.
“I think Sorcha is asking about the end result of our ritual,” Aila commented from where she lay on top of Dys, panting and sweating like she’d just run ten miles. “Which, just looking at my status sheet, does indicate that it was… successful…”
Aila’s voice trailed off, her tone shifting from tired to confused. Jadis stirred, all three of her selves sitting up from where she had variously collapsed amongst her exhausted lovers to look at her redhaired girlfriend.
“What? What’s wrong?” Jay asked as the others slowly came out of their post-orgasm stupors around her. “Did you not gain the effects?”
“No, I did,” Aila answered, a frown creasing her brow. “But… the numbers don’t add up. I’ve gained too much.”
“Too much?” Bridget repeated. “What do you… wait. You’re right, my attribute looks higher than I thought it would be?”
“Mine d—does too,” Thea said as well. “This increase is, ah, more than Aila had c—calculated. A lot more.”
“Gods,” Eir breathed out, her eyes wide. “That is, I believe, a thirty-two-point increase!”
Jadis’ own eyes widened as she looked over the changes to her status sheet. The already huge numbers she’d grown used to seeing had exploded. Where on Earth or Oros had they come from?
Jadis Ahlstrom Race: Nephilim Primary Class: Mirror Knight (30) Secondary Class: Perverted Ritualist of D (23) Tertiary Class: None Combined Level Rating: 53 |
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Health: 1300/1300 |
Magic: 310/310 |
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Attributes |
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Strength: 214 Dexterity: 60 Agility: 254 Vitality: 100 Fortitude: 70 Endurance: 72 |
Arcane: 0 Divine: 0 Eldritch: 254 Focus: 1 Resilience: 30 Will: 5 |
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“Two hundred and fifty-four!?” Jay, Dys, and Syd all cried out in unison. “How? That’s forty more points than it should be!”
“Two hundred and fifty-four what?” Sorcha asked from her seat on the wagon, a look of utter disbelief on her expressive face. “You’re not talking about attributes, are you?”
“Thirty-nine points more, actually,” Aila murmured distractedly, clearly thinking hard.
“You did all that fucking and your stats went up by thirty-nine points!?” Sorcha exclaimed. “Spread out over what? Or, you mean on one single attribute?”
“That’s just one stat increase,” Jay answered Sorcha’s panicked question, though her focus wasn’t on the little goblin witch. She got to her feet, hands on hips as she stared into nothing, thinking about the math. “Taking Stoke the Ardent Flame into account, that means my Eldritch stat fully doubled from this ritual. That’s a multiplication of two.”
“And the increase should have gone from one point five to one point seven,” Aila cut in, clearly having come to the same conclusions as Jadis. “The ritual is acting as though three more people were involved than actually were.”
Sorcha continued to call out her shock and confusion at the numbers Jadis and Aila were throwing around, but Jadis wasn’t paying the witch any attention anymore. Something had caused her ritual to act differently from how it had in the past and how it was expected to this time around. What had changed? The spell wasn’t any different so far as she could see, and she hadn’t taken any new skills that would alter the ritual in her past few level ups. None of her companions could have affected how the ritual worked, either. So far as she knew, it was impossible to change the outcome of a ritual, anyway.
Or was it? Jadis’ thoughts paused. She already had one skill that let her reduce the time it took for a ritual to be cast. Also, Aila’s whole arcanist class was based around altering and modifying her base spells. Those weren’t rituals, but they were still spells. However, in both cases, she and Aila were altering their own spells, which made some sense. It wasn’t possible to make changes to someone else’s spells, was it?
At the thought, Jadis glanced at Sorcha. The confused, blushing goblin kept having to tear her big eyes away from Jay’s body and was clearly struggling between her surprise at the situation and her fascination with Jadis’ form. Jadis didn’t think the goblin was faking the confusion. Plus, she hadn’t displayed any strong ability so far, not without her wands. Definitely not someone who would have the ability to change her ritual. Jadis doubted altering someone else’s spells would have been easy, or low level for that—
Jadis briefly froze, then her two other bodies quickly rose to their feet to join Jay as she started searching the tent.
“Jack,” she hissed. “I know you’re fucking in here! Where are you? What did you fucking do!?”
There was a small, chiming laugh, then a slight shimmer in the corner of the wagon to Sorcha’s right. From nothing appeared an elven woman wearing a simple white nightgown. She was light purple in color, with black hair and bright silver eyes. She sat leaning on one hip, her frankly voluptuous body barely concealed by the sheer material of her white gown.
Sorcha nearly fell off the wagon at the woman’s sudden appearance.
“Just giving you a present,” Jack whispered sweetly in a voice that oozed sex. “You were so angry with me earlier, so I thought I’d do something to make up for my earlier perceived mistreatment of the three of you.”
Around her, Jadis’ girls scrambled to cover themselves with blankets or their discarded clothes, but she didn’t bother. Taking a few big steps, all three of her selves stood glowering down at the shapeshifting troublemaker. Jack didn’t seem the least bit bothered by her frowns, only looking up at the three Nephilim while batting her long eyelashes innocently.
“You’re supposed to be talking with Noll,” Dys growled, keeping her voice low so the sounds of their argument didn’t carry beyond the tent.
“I am talking with Noll,” Jack replied adjusting how her gown rested on her hip. “I can do multiple things at once, you know. Some people can be very good at multitasking, especially if they have skills for it.”
Of course Jack had a skill like Jadis’ Refracted Mind. The Fetch was able to create a multitude of lifelike illusions and have them move and act independently of each other at the same time. It made sense that she would need a lot of control to do something like that. But more to the point…
“What do you mean ‘present’? What did you do?” Jay demanded. “Did you modify my ritual somehow?”
“Guilty,” Jack answered with a smile. “Just a small change, a little addition to help boost you along. I mean, you are doing me a favor by helping me save the dragon after all. I wouldn’t want you to think I wasn’t grateful. And, considering the nature of my gift, it made sense to give it to you now, rather than after.”
“What did you do?” Aila asked as she walked up next to Jadis, having pulled her shirt and some underclothes on. “And how? The ritual still seemed to work the way it was supposed to. Did you change the values somehow, to how much our participation was worth?”
“No, not the values,” Jack shook her head, long black hair spilling over her shoulders in a no-doubt purposefully alluring display. “I can’t do anything about those numbers, not like that, anyway. But I can make other kinds of changes.”
Jack’s smile faded as she took in the expressions on Jadis’ faces, as well as Aila and the rest of the women who were starting to gather around. She sighed, her lips drawn thin as she waggled her fingers in their direction.
“Why such long faces? I boosted your ritual quite a bit. Shouldn’t I be getting a ‘thank you’ of some sort?”
“You spied on us having sex without our permission,” Dys intoned. “And somehow made a change to my ritual without consulting me or anyone else. How can you not see that as a major invasion of privacy that would have just about anyone upset?”
“Ugh, whatever,” Jack’s shoulders lowered. In the next instant, her clothes swirled and melted, changing into a plain, dowdy dress that covered up her body from neck to ankle. “Doesn’t matter how long I’m around your kind. Your reactions never make any sense.”
With that, Jack slipped off of the wagon and weaved her way between the gathered women, brushing past them without touching or being touched. Jadis was tempted to take hold of her, but she rejected the impulse. Even with her new boost in stats, Jack was still two hundred levels higher than her and no doubt more than capable of shrugging off any attempt to stop her.
Wait. Was that impulse from her? Or had it come from D or Lyssandria? Jadis’ frown deepened at the thought, but she mentally shook the question away. It wasn’t something to focus on at the moment.
“I made an addition,” Jack quietly called out as she reached the edge of the tent. “Nothing to your detriment. The ritual worked for participants as well as interested witnesses. Don’t ask for a do-over, though. I already did as much as I could for you with the power I have. I’ll let you all figure out who the interested witnesses were.”
With those parting words, Jack slipped out of the tent, her head held up high.
“Interested witnesses? What’s that supposed to mean?” Bridget asked as she glanced between the other women. “Does that mean Jack wanted to… you know? Uh, join in?”
“I wouldn’t think too hard about that,” Syd shook her head. “I’m certain that the only reason Jack would want to join us would be for the purpose of messing with us. Interested can mean a lot of different things.”
“So. Jack has some kind of ability to fuck with other people’s spells. That’s comforting,” Kerr said with a high amount of sarcasm. “Not at all terrifying to think about what he or she or it might do if they were around while we were doing a ritual and they were pissed off at us.”
“There have to be limitations,” Aila pointed out. “Even if it’s a skill that comes from a class reaching the one hundred level mark. It still wouldn’t be able to completely alter the whole purpose of a spell.”
“I suppose,” Jay shrugged. “I just wonder if she did anything else to mess with the ritual. Let’s check over our stats, make sure there aren’t any other unexpected changes.”
As they all started to quietly discuss their status sheets, going over their attributes as well as their skills to be certain that nothing else had been altered, Jadis thought about what Jack had said about witnesses. By the math, that meant there were three individuals who had “witnessed” the ritual and had been “interested” in it. The wording was vague, likely intentional on Jack’s part, but Jadis couldn’t imagine that interest being anything other than sexual. Her rituals were inherently lewd by the nature of her class. She doubted that Jack could make them not lewd. Clearly, she could add conditions or tack on other ways of completing the ritual, but from what had been done and how Jack had talked, it didn’t seem like she was able to change them completely.
Well, presuming that Jack was witness number one, Jadis had no trouble guessing who witness number two was. Sorcha was still having trouble not staring at Jadis’ naked bodies, something that Jadis could completely understand. She was fucking sexy. Maybe it was narcissistic to say, but it was true, too. The goblin had said she wanted to watch the ritual because it would be hot, anyway. So then, who was the third?
Naturally, Jadis’ thoughts went to Noll. He had admitted to spying on them and by this point, she was certain he could have snuck into the tent somehow and watched the whole time without them noticing. The old dog was a lot stealthier than he looked. A moment later, Jadis dismissed the thought. Noll had made it clear he had little to no interest in the sexual escapades of her and her companions. That was something Jadis had no trouble believing.
Other possibilities flitted through Jadis’ mind. Willa, Nora, and the other soldiers were all contemplated and discarded. She even briefly considered the idea that one of the Reavers had somehow managed to spy on them. Besides the fact that she was fairly certain that none of them could accomplish such a feat with the guard that had been placed on them, she was also sure that none would have been all that interested in her and the others sexually, not after the beating they’d gotten and animosity between them. At least, she hoped not.
That left only one possibility. Syd quietly took a few steps to the side while her other selves and her companions continued to talk and go over their status sheets. Taking the glass container down from where it hung, she held the little blue-eyed demon up to her face, staring at the squirming tentacle monster.
“Okay Alex,” she whispered. “As soon as you can start writing sentences with your blocks, we are going to have to have a talk about your ‘interest’ in me.”
Like Jadis ultimately concluded, kinda hard to be mad at Jack when this f*ckery has a high chance of really helping them all out in the coming battle. Doesn't feel good when it happens without your knowledge or consent, but in this case it's forgiven based on what happened.
I didn't expect Alex to be the third, but in hindsight it makes a good deal of sense. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with the little goober.
If Jadis had known Jack would do this, she could have asked Willa, Nora, and possibly Ada if they wanted to watch, and thus further increasing her mutiplier.
Just put on a show for everyone lol. That said, Jack did imply it was a one time thing. So odds are next time they do that ritual, they will need to have 11+ active participants.
As to them being upset that Jack watched.... I kinda feel like they are being a little dense. They know what a Fetch is. They know what it can do. They know what god it represents. Unless they take active measures to keep a Fetch out, then they should just, by and large, ignore it. Pretend it isn't there. Or pretend it is just a piece of the background. Saves them time spent arguing, wasted emotional energy, and stops them from giving a Fetch rent free living space in their head.
@Maddhawk
As to them being upset that Jack watched.... I kinda feel like they are being a little dense. They know what a Fetch is. They know what it can do. They know what god it represents. Unless they take active measures to keep a Fetch out, then they should just, by and large, ignore it
That feels...kinda victim blaming? Jack has free will. She might not understand the harm, but it doesn't make it okay.
Now I'm curious where Jack's story will end up going
@Larenloth Not at all. But, before I even get into that, this is a fantasy world that is nothing like our own. As such conventional rules and wisdom do not always apply.
As to why both of those things are true, it is critical to remember that in a different world, there are going to be things that just cannot be approached in the same way you would in ours. Fetch's are, in their own way, a force of nature. Fetches are gonna do Fetch things regardless of what others think or may wish. That is in accordance with their nature as designed by Destarious. A god whose nature can be summed up as neutral chaotic. This has been born out in the story by the way the natives of Oros have reacted to the topic of Fetches in the past and the actions of Jack.
Furthermore, I am not saying they do not have a right to expect some degree of privacy, they do, but at some level they also have to realize that privacy is mostly an illusion thanks to their circumstances. They also need to understand the nature of Jack more. By just accepting that, for now anyway, while they are in the wilds, that Jack the Fetch is gonna do Fetch things, they can at least reduce one source of stress by not stressing over it.
So I am saying they should ignore Jack for the most part for their own sake. Now, I suspect, when they get back to Far Felsen, they will have a higher expectation of privacy and that is fair. Given how Jack was running around out in the boonies instead of seeking to cause shenanigans in the only major city in Weigrun tells me that Jack does have some sense of propriety and might be better behaved their too, if only slightly and so as to not be made unwelcome in the city.
If avatars are a force of nature, and mostly do what they were designed to do, then wouldn't Alex just be evil? Jack can make his own decisions, and even seems to actively want to spite D. Jack may do stereotypical Fetch things, but he can also be reasoned with. His actions are his.
So I am saying they should ignore Jack for the most part for their own sake.
Ignoring something that upsets you is easier said than done. People wouldn't care about online harassment if it was that easy. Preventing Jack from doing whatever he wants may not be realistic, but it's not dumb to want him to be less of an ass.
@Larenloth
---Dealing with Those Who Annoy, Irritate, Bully, Harass---
Never said it was dumb for them to want him to be less of an ass and be more considerate of how his antics might be taken in advance. That said, Jack did think he thought they would have been more receptive given how his latest antic has given them a big boost and doesn't understand why they reacted as they did.
As to ignoring people who are trying to get under your skin, personally, I find it rather easy to do. Something I have had to learn to do out of necessity.
We tend to let what others say and think get to us when we care too much about strangers or people we do not like. Usually this is born out of a deep seated desire to be liked by others or of a deep, possibly suppressed attraction to the person who is antagonizing us. Regardless of why people care about what strangers and/or antagonistic/annoying others think, if we all cultivate a mindset to only care about the opinions and actions of those whom we care for, then it becomes much easier to ignore the words of those whom we do not care for.
I will grant, such cultivation does require practice. However, before that can be done, one must be aware the problem exists in the first place. This is why I suggest that they ignore Jack in the first place. This also has the benefit of teaching Jack that being an ass won't get it attention. So Jack just might learn to be a little more considerate in the future if its antics get less attention than it was hoping for.
One last thing, that I can't ignore, there does come a time when fire must be fought with fire. When retaliation against someone harassing you becomes the only appropriate response. Unfortunately, there is no clear set of guidelines to gauge as to when retaliation, punishment, or revenge becomes the right path in response to a bully/harasser. Each person must decide for themselves how much they are willing to tolerate and where the line exists. But, it is paramount that once that line is crossed, they stand up for themselves and push back. That they demand respect.
---On Avatars, Some Theorizing Included---
As to avatars, I never said they were a force of nature. I said the Fetch, and their antics, could be as akin to such.
A couple things are clear:
1) Avatars are reflections of the nature of their god or goddess, both in looks and in behavior
2) Avatars have free will, so they do have the agency to deviate from their patron's nature
3) Avatars can have dual aspects, possibly more -- this is seen in Jadis
Jadis tends to be lawful good most of the time. She can trend towards chaotic good when she is playing with/teasing her girls. Kerr is a lot like this too, but even more chaotic when it comes to teasing and ribbing others. But, both revert to lawful good when called for and genuinely care for others.
The rest of Fortune's Favored are all solidly lawful good.
This kinda fits in with what little we saw of Lyssandria and have heard of her. She is also the wife of the big, good god, who name I forget.
Destarious, on the other hand, son of Lyssandria, step son of the big, good god, is chaotic neutral through and through. He is very much an equal opportunity god of chaos, both good and bad. This is seen in what he represents, his divine quest to Jadis as a condition of her reincarnation, how people perceive him and his avatars, and how Jack has behaved.
Knowing what a god is, what they stand for, represent, and their nature is important in such worlds because they give people the necessary foreknowledge to be able to expect and anticipate how their avatars are most likely going to behave.
Not all avatars are going to behave as expected though. Alex the Demonling is a perfect example of that. Instead of following 'dear old dad Samleos' ' footsteps and being an agent of raw destruction, it has instead decided it would rather follow the influence of Jadis. Thus, in a way, it could be said it is following Destarious and Lyssandria instead now. This is an example of avatar taking maximum advantage of their agency over their own lives.
(Side note of which is that this also means Jadis could become a true avatar of Lyssandria only and not Lyssandria and Destarious together.)
If Jack does change, if Jack does eventually stop being an ass and becomes more considerate of others prior to pulling any shenanigans, that would also be an example of Jack utilizing greater agency to deviate from its base nature as Destarious had originally created.
---Last Second Thoughts---
One final bit, and this just occurred to me, much of what Jack said to Jadis about having free will and the influence of the gods being in the form of gut instincts and impulses, might have been a degree of partial fluff to soothe Jadis. Jadis isn't a natural avatar. Her soul doesn't even originate from Oros. It was also mature before it was reincarnated. As such, that could also have a big impact on how Jadis' life unfolds, her agency over her life, and how she perceives and interacts with her patron divines.
Normal avatars could possibly be more bound to their creators than Jack let on. That would mean Alex had gotten special permission from Samleos to strongly deviate away from an incarnation of raw death and destruction.
Just food for thought. In the end, only Agdistis truly knows.
Never said it was dumb for them to want him to be less of an ass and be more considerate of how his antics might be taken in advance.
You were criticizing their reaction, saying they were 'being a little dense', and overall seemed to be implying they should know better. That it was at least a little bit their own fault. Maybe that wasn't what you meant, but it was how it came across, to me.
I thought their reaction was reasonable. That's all.
@Larenloth To be blunt, yes, they should have known better. Not Jadis perhaps, but the rest definitely should have. They have spent the entirety of their existence as a native of Oros. They don't have the excuse of having spent another life living in another world, influencing their beliefs and expectations.
Now, it is apparent, and does make sense, given the impression of rarity of the distribution of divine avatars, outside of demons, that none of them have any meaningful experience dealing with and interacting with Fetches. However, that isn't an excuse for failing to take a Fetch into account, once encountered. Especially if they are going to be engaging in activities of a generally personal, and especially lewd, nature. To also made no effort to keep secret what they were about to do be doing. They also. in fact, they DO, briefly, discuss the possibility of Jack secretly watching.
From Chapter 263, "Of Course":
"Okay, who's ready for a nice, hard, group f*cking?" Kerr loudly announced as she slipped into the tent.
"The f*ck?" Sorcha yelped, staring wide-eyed at the therion.
Even without enhanced hearing, Jadis could hear a few guffaws and other assorted exclamations of amusement or disbelief coming from outside of the tent.
Kerr loudly announces orgy time. Everyone around can hear it and it can clearly be heard both Willa's Squad and the tied up Reavers all heard it.
Then, in Chapter 264, "Ritual Time":
"The damn demon in a jar you keep is always staring at us anyway," Bridget said, motioning at Alex who was, indeed watching them all from its position hanging on the front of the wagon. "What's one more witness to the f*ckery?"
"I'm more surprised that Jack isn't spying on us," Aila commented as she started removing layers of clothing. "He seems the type to do so, just for the sake of stirring up trouble if nothing else."
"What makes you think he isn't," Kerr shot back as she pulled her boots off. "He's level two f*cking hundred and forty-nine. He could be in this tent with us right now and we probably wouldn't know it with the kind of magics someone that high level can cast."
"Good point," Aila nodded. "I don't think I've heard of anyone getting to that high of a level in generations. If the opportunity arises, I'd love to ask him some questions on what his higher tier skills and spells are like."
They just agreed Sorcha could watch, after Sabina brought it up and Jadis asked if she'd like to. Bridget points out that Alex the Demonling is always watching anyway. Aila then brings up Jack and Kerr, wisely, points out that Jack could be watching and they'd never know. To which everyone, figuratively shrugs and moves on.
Then you also have Jack reminding Jadis how she had put on a show in the village temple, on D's altar, before his statue (which was Jack in disguise), and engaged in selfcest. This further educates Jadis that Jack isn't above taking on forms to fit into the background and watching. But, as I said before as well, Jadis does have the excuse of not being native to Oros. She still very much has the excuse of still adapting and adjusting to her new life.
So yeah, I do think their reaction was unreasonable.
A more reasonable reaction, given everything that has gone on before hand, would be a reaction of resignation rather than surprise and/or shock. Pulling on clothes and being upset and concerned that Jack messed with the Jadis' skill was, and is, a normal followup reaction. The chastisement following the reveal was also normal and something to be expected.
I also believe they are not dumb for wanting Jack to be less of an ass and more considerate before it acts on its impulses to mess with others. Jack should be held accountable for its antics.
In the end though, I do not believe that my own view constitutes "victim blaming". It isn't victim blaming to point out irrationalities on the part of others.
I would like to see Jadis and her girls stress less with regards to Jack. They should take a page from Kerr's book. In the past, her approach to things was to take them in stride and with a bit of humor. Admonish Jack when it oversteps the line between good fun into being inconsiderate, but also don't let it get them upset either.
If Jack sticks around in the story for the long haul, I hope they are able to both teach Jack how to be more considerate before pranking and joking around, as well how to be more moderate in its actions so as to not earn the enmity of everyone else around it.
I agree with Larenloth here that is how it came across.
But on your last thoughts theory. If you have lived with those divine impulses your entire life it is going to shape you, even if you are aware of it. So I could see some older avatars choosing spite as a coping mechanism. But most avatars would grow up in a community were following these gut instincts is encouraged, and is in line with the acts of that god, so they would be less likely to rebel.
I think the Fetches are more likely to rebel because they are tought to be independent chaotic little shits. If a fetch wanted to be a librarian for all of their life D would likely laugh at the situatin and prod them from time to time to test their resolve.
I can also see Jack just doing it to mess with D a bit. Heck I think a fair number of court jesters in this world could be Fetches. Cracking jokes, testing wit with nobility I could see them just enjoying that role for a good while.
@SeriousBlueJewel Well, how people read things is how people read things.
Am I critical? Yes.
Overtly so? No.
Am I victim blaming? Definitely no.
Does Jack deserve to be admonished and held accountable? Yes.
Did Jack help them out in its own, odd way? Yes. Does Jack deserve forgiveness? Yes, provided Jack also can learn what it did wrong, not asking permission to interfere beforehand.
Do I hope Jack will learn some degree of restraint and consideration? Yes.
Why? So as not to earn the enmity of everyone else in the long run.
@Maddhawk I believe it was a shrodinger's fetch situation. Jadis and crew expected Jack to be spying on them, but in a manner that was easy to ignore.
But when Jack manifested it was clear they were spying on the ritual. And then the girl's lack of decency became an issue as they could not just pretend Jack isn't watching them if they are in the middle of the room.
@Maddhawk
They also. in fact, they DO, briefly, discuss the possibility of Jack secretly watching.
That doesn't justify it. Talking merely about the possibility is not consent.
Aila then brings up Jack and Kerr, wisely, points out that Jack could be watching and they'd never know. To which everyone, figuratively shrugs and moves on.
Still not consent.
This further educates Jadis that Jack isn't above taking on forms to fit into the background and watching.
Knowing Jack might do something doesn't make it their fault if Jack does it.
In the end though, I do not believe that my own view constitutes "victim blaming".
I don't think you understand victim blaming, then.
@Maddhawk
I understand were you are coming from I merely intended to point out that it could be read the wrong way.
I honestly believe Jack will not restrain themselves all that much, because of the simple fact that there is in their mind there is no reason to. Jack will behave a bit better for now, but after the dragon incident, hah no, Jack's goals will have been achieved and they can leave without an issue. Since they are level 249, and that means they can easily leave amd return to doing their thing in the wild.
Although if Jack does choose to stick around, he will likely resort to low level chaos, they don't need high level Tzeenchian schemes to entertain themselves.
I think of them a bit as Lilith from the Last Sovereign, happy with high level chaos, but willing to settle for more intresting low level chaos, with good companionship.
@Larenloth Never said it was consent. I even point out the lack of consent is where Jack messed up. I also said they have a right to admonish Jack and hold it accountable.
What I did say was that they were being a bit dense in how they responded when Jack finally revealed itself. They reacted with shock and surprise. They reacted so despite knowing the nature of Destarious, the nature of his avatars, the behavior thus shown by Jack, and the direct discussion of it.
I reiterate, a more understandable reaction would have been one of resignation, dismay, and disappointment in Jack.
I do understand what victim blaming is. However, the definition of such is also subjective. It is clear to me now, that this is a case where our subjective opinions and definitions do not align.
For the record, victim blaming, as I see it, is when someone is the target of someone else's actions, and gets accused of doing things that either encouraged them to be targeted in the first place, or to otherwise egg on and encourage, directly or indirectly the action done to/against them.
Fortune's Favored was the victim of:
1) Having Jadis' ritual skill interfered with; granted it was a positive boon,
2) Having an additional observer that did not prior ask for permission to observe
At no point in time have I said Fortune's Favored did anything to encourage them to be targeted, nor anything to encourage or entice the targeting of them, by which to encourage or entice Jack to watch them without prior permission.
Also, Larenloth, I do appreciate your responses. They are quite thought provoking and do brook interesting dialogue. Thank you for that instead of just out right dismissing my replies.
On a side note:
Also for @SeriousBlueJewel can either of you imagine what sort of power up Jadis could have gotten had Jack talked to her before hand, about the ritual manipulation and make it such, that for one time only, all the voyeurs could 'participate' and count towards the participant total as well?
They could have put on an erotic show for everyone. Captain Willa's Squad and the tied up Reavers. Given that the Reavers have about 15 survivors, including Sorcha, 9 members of Willa's squad remains, the 7 members of Fortune's Favored, Jack, Noll, and Alex... that could have been a 34 participant ritual and a corresponding 3.4x boost. That assumes all of Fortune's Favored was willing to put on the show for the sake of such a powerful boost.
@Maddhawk
I guess I still don't understand.
Is it realistic to expect people to react rationally in the moment, despite being upset? Is it realistic to expect everyone to brush off any hurt they feel? Is everyone supposed to be unsurprised by everything a fetch does? Is being surprised by a fetch a sign of stupidity, a failing?
How much is this transgression their own fault?
@Larenloth I see people react rationally to highly stressful and emotionally charged situations all the time. We have even had examples of that in this story, like when Noll first showed up and Jadis blew her cool all because she felt her merc company wasn't a merc company and more like her own private little club that she could do with as she pleased. The other girls, however, despite Jadis blowing her top irrationally, kept their cool and helped Jadis to see reason and how irrational she was being.
Another example was when they got out of the mines with the traitor Jonas in tow. Again Jadis, understandably was quite angry. Kerr was in agreement with her. Aila, Eir, and Captain Willa, however, kept their cool and helped to keep Jadis under control.
Outside of this story, you can find countless examples of people in highly charged situations who kept their cool and responded rationally all over reddit.
Now, I have said this several times now, the only thing I fault is that they reacted with surprise instead of resignation. Their anger is understandable and deserved.
If I had been in their shoes, had I been like Eir or Aila, the two closest in similar traits to me, my reaction wouldn't have been a burst of anger or shock, but resignation, like "figures the Fetch was watching after all", and I would have gathered some clothes, to put on. I wouldn't have been panicked about it though.
Now, if others had turned out to be watching, like Noll or Captain Willa, I would have reacted with much more anger and hostility because those I would have expected to have the common decency to not watch and offer the slight illusion of privacy.
I would also, later on, try to teach Jack why their effort to "help" wasn't met with the positive reaction Jack had clearly been expecting to get.
@Maddhawk
I see what you're saying, though I still don't agree.
@Larenloth That's fair and I'm ok with that. This is what makes life spicy. Or would it be better to say this is what makes life flavorful?
@Maddhawk s*x and nudity are emotionally charged moments. Jadis seems to act better in sexually charged moments than she does in stress charged moments. Whilst Aila does the opposite.
Also as I stated before there is a difference to knowing you are probably being spied on in an easy to ignore manner, and actually being confronted with it. Heck the worst they might have expected from Jack is him ribbing them for the ritual after the fact. Not appearing in their place of visual privacy.
Also it is possible for Aila and Eir to have reacted in a calmer but swift manner when getting covered. With Jadis registering it as scrambling for the whole group. But is also possible they scrambled because they didn't want the perv to get a blatant eyefull of their bodies.
Alos something you are all forgetting to mention is that aside from Jadis, and Sabina they have all just had the most intense orgasm of their life by a large margin (not saying it wasn't the most intense for those two, but they have experience with the collar). So their brains are likely in a more reactive state upon being suprised.
Also Jadis has had three experiences (Peeping Statue, 4th body, the nine nephilim) with Jack's antics one of which is in a sexual context, even if the experience is retroactive. Whilst the girls only have one experience with Jack's antics.
Also for your erotic show thing not that high a score since someone would still need to keep watch for the hour the show lasted. Eike/blood bit*h wouldn't participate and actvely work to ruin the show and thus needs a seperate watcher. So the multiplier would be more like 29 I am going to say. Jack could act as the sole guard in theory whilst watching the show but they would likely demand giving their full attention to the show rather than do guard duty, heck they could lie and say the skill requires focused observation of the ritual.
@SeriousBlueJewel Well, I guess people respond differently to an intense orgasm, but my experience has been people tend to be quite mellow and slow on the uptake in the immediate aftermath. I have also seen that people who are more hedonistic in nature tend to be more lax and carefree when it comes to being watched before, during, and after sex.
But, I can't say to have had a sufficiently broad set of experiences to say that is truly universal and not just the crowd I was with at the time.
Funny how our own experiences shape our expectations and views eh?
Edit: For the watchers, I was just doing a theoretical maximum, not a realistic maximum. Personally, I would expect a good number, especially the more traditional and conservative guys to opt out of watching. That said, if the nature of the ritual and its rewards were explained in advance, some might change their mind and watch for the sake of aiding Fortune's Favored.