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Author's Note: We are now starting the first official arc as everything before this point was technically the prologue and I'm getting really excited, also looking forward to seeing if a certain someone has changed since childhood. I guess we'll see soon won't we? Heheheheh!
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After my Celebration of Birth my grandparents arranged for a tutor to be supplied from the capital. She was apparently going to teach me history, geography, etiquette as well as how to act feminine and carry myself with the poise expected of our family. The work was hard but enjoyable, other than the female oriented training I enjoyed every bit of it.
First I'd finally learned the name of the country I was in as well as the city and province my family controlled. The country was called Anguis and was headed by it's Queen Laura de la Anguis. Of course going by that logic both the city I grew up in and the province it rested in were called Amchier, I vaguely remember learning that noble names sometimes came from their controlled territory in a book in my old life but seeing that it was true in this world was a bit surprising.
Next I learned that my family's main income was from an extremely affluent wine and juice business and that we were particularly well known for our unique grape's that were specifically bred by our family. This was surprising to me as I'd never heard anything about this before my schooling but I guess it made a little sense as there was quite a lot of vine and grape motif's in the stonework of my family mansion.
The next bit of information that I learned was the name of the world that I was now in and it honestly surprised me with how simple it was, it was called Earth of course. Well not really as they used the word that meant earth or ground in the language of this world but I was surprised when I heard that most culture's tend to call their home basically the same thing. Oh right before I forget the real name of this world is Miscalis.
In this way 5 years passed by with no real incident and I grew quickly, even surprising myself with how fast I was maturing.
[Hmm...? I'm already developing curves? How much of an early bloomer am I?] - Rose
Currently I was looking at a mirror while examining myself from several angles, recently my chest had been sensitive and when I'd brought it up with my mother and Annabelle they'd smirked and told me it was because I was becoming a woman. They then forced me into this tailor shop to get sized for undergarments which was what led to me being naked in a dressing room currently.
[Although I have to admit that I make for a gorgeous woman, give it a couple years and I'll be firmly in my strike zone.] - Rose
My body had matured drastically within the last 5 years to the point where it wouldn't be a stretch to say that I was already nearing adulthood. My height currently was one of the most surprising things though as I was nearly 6 feet tall when at normal resting height and a full total of 18 feet long if you counted my tail. I knew that lamia were a fairly large bodied race but this was rediculous. I was almost as large as my mother already and I still had a lot of growing to do, maybe my father's draconic heritage had something to do with it?
While pondering this question I took in the rest of my body and I had to say I'd definitely grew into my beauty. With a perfect almond-shaped face and hair that reached my perfect rear as well as curves for days I'd say the only thing missing was breasts. Although considering how large the rest of my family was in that area I didn't think I'd have to wait long.
[Ara Ara finished admiring yourself then I take it?] - Annabelle
I jumped and rounded on Annabelle with a blush on my face, stuttering out of embarrassment.
[I-I wasn't doing a-anything! O-On an unrelated note how long were you there?] - Rose
[Oh not long... I'd say right around the time you were commenting about strike zone's.] - Annabelle
Wait didn't that mean she'd been there the whole time, covering my face with my hand while I used my tail to block myself from view I crouched down to hide my embarrassment.
[Oh my is my darling Young Mistress embarrassed about being caught basking in her own beauty? I wonder how this type of action would be viewed if it were a "man" doing it instead. Well I guess it's a good thing we are all girls here then...] - Annabelle
[Don't say thaaaaaat!]- Rose
As I was writhing on the ground out of embarrassment Annabelle persisted in teasing me about how feminine I was acting, something that was getting more and more common over the last couple years despite the fact I was originally a man.
[Ahem! I have finished preparing undergarments for the Young Mistress!] - Sherwall
[Ah!] - Rose and Annabelle
If anyone is wondering why Sherwall was here it's because only a couple month's after my Celebration of Birth was over she apparently up and left the capital saying, [My artist's soul is only satisfied by the beautiful canvas that is Rose! I can no longer satisfy myself with anything less than her majesty!]. I hadn't heard about this until later when she'd told me herself, in front of my family... while they all smirked at my embarrassment.
I straightened myself up in an instant, trying to gloss over what Sherwall had walked into. Pretending nothing had happened didn't seem to work as she immediately went into a speech about how admiring my beauty was a virtue and that even I myself must revel in my own appearance.
[Does the Young Mistress understand my passion?] - Sherwall
[I-I guess?] - Rose
[Ahh! So wonderful! So understanding! A literal goddess among mortals had graced us with her divine presence!] - Sherwall
[C-Can we get on with trying on my clothes...? I'm still naked and it's getting embarrassing...] - Rose
It looked like Sherwall was about to launch into another round of praising my beauty so I interrupted her with a voice that got quieter with each word before petering off at the end. My question seemed to remind Sherwall why I was there as she blinked to herself before nodding an affirmative.
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It took several more hours of Sherwall bringing out various undergarments to, as she put it, [Properly showcase your loveliness!] but eventually we left her shop with several dozen pairs of bra's and panties as well as several camisole's that I was told to wear during the night or with specific outfits.
[Hah.... She never get's any easier to deal with....] - Rose
Annabelle nodded solemnly at my statement as even she with her "S" nature found Sherwall to be a bit much.
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[So how did it go? Was Sherwall as excitable as always?] - Lily
[I still don't understand how someone her age can always be so energetic, she looks to be in her late 30's but acts like a horny teenager.] - Rose
[Language Young Lady! It's not appropriate for noble ladies to speak of such things in public!] - Lily
[Okaaay momma, I won't do it again.] - Rose
[Well that's good, a young "woman" such as yourself must always carry herself with grace afterall.] - Lily
My mother smirked and winked after her statement and I realized that she was teasing me again about my complete lack of maleness at this point. About a year ago I remember bursting into tears when I suddenly realized that I no longer really thought of myself as a man and after being comforted by Annabelle and my mother I'd decided to try and live as a woman from then on. Although that was easier said than done as I still became embarrassed whenever I did anything super feminine.
[Anyway, your father and I have something to discuss with you after dinner today so come down to the parlor after we finish eating.] - Lily
[Papa is here! Did Auntie Laura give him some time off? How long is he here for?] - Rose
After meeting the Queen during my Celebration of Birth she had forced a face-to-face meeting through afterwards and after getting my story directly from me I'd been told to call her Auntie Laura from then on or else. It turns out that the punishment for any slip-ups was intensive feminine training so I'd quickly been conditioned to only refer to her that way whenever we met afterwards. I'd also told her about the Prince's actions during that meeting and after promising to clean up his act he'd been forced to apologize to me with his head held to the floor.
[Calm down calm down! Yes he's here and he unfortunately will only be here for a few days this time, he's actually here for what we need to talk with you about and afterwards he has to return to the capital.] - Lily
Usually my mother is upset whenever the fact that her "Darling" has to leave her to work away from home so her muted reaction to him leaving was a little suspicious but I decided not to ask about it for now as it probably had something to do with the talk we were going to have and I might learn to reason soon anyway.
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The rest of the evening was uneventful with me updating my papa on my life since he last visited as well as some of my recent tutoring sessions. Apparently updates were sent to my papa in the capital every week on my lesson plans and how I was progressing so he already knew but I wanted to brag about how well I was doing regardless and he seemed to enjoy listening to me so I continued.
[You sure love your papa, momma might start getting jealous over here.] - Lily
[N-No I don't! H-He's just so excited by seeing me that I thought I'd give him some service! T-That's all!] - Rose
Completely aware of how I sounded and that not a single person was buying my excuse my face burned with embarrassment and the rest of dinner passed in silence as my ears burned.
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[So let's jump right into why I came this time, the Queen has asked me to accept an engagement between our houses and I accepted her offer. As such you will be attending the same academy that the Prince is currently going to starting at the end of the month.] - Robert
After finishing dinner and moving to the parlor my papa then said words that didn't make any sense to me and I just blinked while opening and closing my mouth silently.
[Darling this is why I told you to breach this subject gently, do you see how confused she is?] - Lily
[Sorry sorry I meant to bring it up casually but it came out that way, no helping it I guess! Hahahaha!] - Robert
[Objection!!!!!] - Rose
My brain finally caught up with the conversation and the only thing that came to mind was reject it, reject it so hard that no similar conversation ever comes up again. Bemused my parents looked at me curiously.
[Why?] - Lily and Robert
[Why? Well I'm a man and...] - Rose
[You are a woman now, both physically and mentally if your actions are anything to go by.] - Lily
[B-But I'm... He's... Oh! But the Prince is a spoiled brat! I can't marry someone that treats people like he does!] - Rose
[Oh? Quite right, that would be the case if he was still the same spoiled child but from all accounts he is now quite well behaved and polite. Seems the scolding he got as a child caused him to shape up afterwards.] - Robert
Quickly finding my avenue's of escape vanishing I helplessly looked around trying to find a good reason to reject an engagement and finding none I lowered my head in defeat. Seeing that I had at least stopped fighting the idea my papa continued.
[Now rest assured I made the Queen promise that if you still don't wish to accept the engagement after you graduate in 4 years then we'll break it off with no hard feelings on either side. During that time however you will be expected to act as a proper noble and at least attempt to get along with the Prince. She also requested that you send her a letter through an image stone when you arrive at the academy as it's in the nearby Human country of Abelis.] - Robert
[Oh and since I no longer need to stay here to run our business I'll be going with your father to the capital as well so make sure you take anything you need as this house will be empty for a while.] - Lily
My papa's assurance at least left a glimmer of hope as I knew that no matter how long school was I would never fall for a man so all I had to do was reject it again in 4 years. How hard could it be to play nice with the Prince for a few years...
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In all this tags I haven't seen bisexual protagonist, so is it safe to assume there won't be any guys involved romantically with Rose?
No comment
There is the bi tag
@Num At this point I didn’t realize that tag existed
@TheMangaGod ahhhh
@Num Yeah, lost a few people when that came up. Not too many though
Hopefully
@Aralunai there will be at least one guy in Rose's harem sorry.
@TheMangaGod guy are hot too
@Num Everyone is hot! Love for everyone! Except assholes... they can love themselves.
@TheMangaGod
they can love themselves.
...phrasing
@Num Exactly. lol
@TheMangaGod no thanks, disqualified as GL in my books...
Not that you'd care, being the author of a GL romance with a male love interest
@TheMangaGod Idk, I've seen assholes get a lot of love this past decade
Never personally understood why people are so hung up on 'this gender + this gender' I only personally read yuri/gl over yaoi because yaoi tends to f*cking suck most of the time.
Also why futanari (with all possible equipment) are the factually superior race.
@Basically_God futa are master race! Lol
@Basically_God because... I'm a lesbian? And Girls love is the "lesbian" tag??? Why would I want to read something tagged as "this is a lesbian story" for that good old bait and switch "Oops here's a man"
I get that bisexual protagonist is a subtag and you know what, that's great and all, but if you involve a male love interest, it's not really a lesbian story anymore, is it. Which is why I personally think Bi-love stories should get their own main category so I and people like me don't have to deal with het sh*t in our supposed GL.
And futanari is (most of the time) a crutch for bad writers who can't figure out how to write lesbian sex, usually men, and mostly enjoyed by men who don't want to feel left out.
@TheMangaGod Cringe.
@RaelDeer Is it bad that I agree with this comment
@Aralunai you can disagree, doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It is my personal opinion that the GL tag is for, you know, girls loving girls, and I'll concede that, they can be Bi, that can be part of who they are, but the minute that a man is an active love interest in the story, it's no longer GL, it's Bi-L, and that's GREAT, Bi people need representation. But I didn't come to the GL tag, to read lesbian love and/or smut stories, only to go "Oh that is a man romancing and/or putting his penis in this character I'm trying to identify with or get invested in" and as a lesbian? Kind of a deal breaker.
It's bad enough I have to dodge a minefield of "loli" garbage... deliver yourself directly to your local prison if you think children are acceptable to use in romance, and especially smut. Disgusting. And yes I have examples of both.
@Aralunai wow, I can't read I am so sorry...
I woke up like half an hour ago and this was some of the first sh*t I saw, my bad I was ready to fight.
@RaelDeer I agree that Bi-Love should be a main tag but it isn’t unfortunately and considering the only hint of actual feelings so far are between females and I don’t plan on having males involved for a long time it isn’t fair to not use the Girls Love tag. Still agree that GL is better than Het, but I am bisexual with a preference for women so I write what I know. I hope that the eventual inclusion of a male love interest won’t turn you away but if it does I still wish you all the best!
@TheMangaGod It already has. Not to be melodramatic but it's like trying to get invested in a character you know is going to die later. I have no interest in male-female romance and it just being "a long time" away is even more reason not to bother getting invested now for utter disappointment when it finally arrives.
That and I honestly hadn't thought about this novel since I posted my original comment... half a month ago, and would have stayed that way had it not been for the revival of this comment thread today. I lost interest in reading it then, and that hasn't changed at all.
@RaelDeer well then I hope you have a wonderful day! No hard feelings
@TheMangaGod Ahahahahaha, you really deleted those comments? Sorry but what, did you realise how awful it was or did you not want people to know that's how you think?
@RaelDeer Did they say something bad?
@Aralunai Biological predisposition for sexuality, ala Rose is a lesbian but her body is bisexual because all lamias are bisexual and her biological sexuality will slowly overwrite her mental sexuality, making her open to the idea of taking men as sexual partners.
Which is f*cked up because putting someone in a new body doesn't overwrite who they are. Putting a lesbian in a different body doesn't suddenly make her "biologically predisposed to being straight", or putting a trans person in a biologically male/female body suddenly making them "Biologically predisposed to not being trans anymore"
@RaelDeer Thx and yeah I can see why they deletes that 𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖕
@RaelDeer Actually I deleted them cause I didn’t feel like discussing them. Now as far as biology goes, everything is connected to biology and genes. I don’t believe in a soul and since I myself never decided to be bisexual then the only non choice option is that I was born this way and while unfortunately the biological argument is used incorrectly to assume a binary gender option that’s not actually what it says when you look into it. It’s more complicated. Gender and sexuality seem to be really complicated with brain chemistry, gene expression and hormones having massive variations. Specifically you can be born with a biologically female brain with a male presenting brain or vice versa. It gets even more complicated than that but it’s waaaaay more than just two genders as far as biology is concerned. Now I didn’t want to have this discussion on this forum since it wasn’t the place for that so instead I practiced conflict avoidance. I never once said gender determines sexuality or that just being male or female presenting has anything to do with your gender. The fact is that I’m bisexual BECAUSE it’s perfectly natural to be.
@TheMangaGod I still wish you a good day and I understand why the biology thing is a touchy subject. It’s been used INCORRECTLY by people that don’t know anything beyond high school knowledge to claim a binary where the actual science does not say that. I apologize for upsetting you
@TheMangaGod all I'm saying is that by your logic, if it were YOU YOURSELF put into a different body, you're saying that there's a chance that that bodies "biological sexuality" could force you to be straight, or gay/lesbian, instead of the bisexual you are.
This is what you're saying is happening to Rose. I cannot agree with you less, and I honestly hope you can see why the idea that genetics overwrites brain function is problematic.
The explanation you yourself gave, is that Rose, a formerly straight man, now for all intents and purposes a lesbian due to her unwavering preference for women, is having her sexuality altered by her new genetics to be accepting of men, and thus bisexual. I'm not bringing in any argument of soul or whatever here, but the idea that putting any person into a new body could fundamentally alter who they are as a person is.... wrong.
There's no problem with just HAVING a bisexual protagonist, and I don't know why you didn't just do that from the start if her "biology effects her mentality", why wasn't she just BORN bisexual instead. It just reminds me of sword saint fox girl where the protagonist is a man-reincarnated-female who hates the concept of EVER having s*x with a man, but it has the bisexual protagonist tag, like being bisexual is either a matter of adjusting to being female, or simply being 'convinced' to take a man as a lover...
It's gross to manipulate a character like that, and I fail to see how this is ANY different...
@RaelDeer hmm. I guess I can see how the idea that you could be changed by your bodies biology is not a fun idea but l wasn’t planning on it being just about biology. It is a bit but I did plan on it being a bit ambiguous as whether her previous body was actually straight. A lot of people don’t realize that they have any attraction to the same gender despite being around gay or bi people. I didn’t. For years actually I had no idea, mostly just attributing any feelings for an appreciation rather than anything else. I definitely should have written the first chapter to make it more clear but this was my first real attempt at writing.
@TheMangaGod And you know what, that's fine. I used to be a straight male, then I was a gay male, then I was a pan male, then I was t-fem and pan, and now I'm t-fem and lesbian.
Life is weird and you never know where you'll end up. And that's much more convincing than "Her race is bisexual so now she's bisexual too"
I don't know why I'm still here at this point, but I'm pretty sure I can attribute it to revulsion and hoping I could convince you to see the problems in your reasoning, and not eating for 24 hours. Hunger makes you cranky, it turns out. But mostly being mad at the "Racial bisexuality" thing.
@TheMangaGod men or u mean futunari ?
@RaelDeer WOW this old argument got out of hand... Wrong statements on both sides.
GL tag: Even if ONE character has a male Love interest, The OTHERS are still Lesbians... the tag still applies. a lesbian whose dating a Bisexual is Still a lesbian. A Straight dating an opposite gendered Bisexual is still straight...
Biology: Theres a huge difference between Biological Gender and Gender Identity. Lotta wrong statements in the above Argument... Facts: Snakes are driven to mate by instinct, So a Lamia Very well could have a Genetic Predisposition for Bisexuality... However if theres no love/affection its just sex, for reproductions sake. GL tag still applies here, for the MC, As long as theres no actual Feelings for a male.
Question: You dont consider a novel featuring ONE straight couple amongst Lesbians GL/Yuri? In that case, Where do you stand on a genetically male character who was raised as a woman, and had no idea he/she wasnt one, Until this is pointed out by the Love Interest. Is He/She part of a Yuri Couple or not? Physically male, mentally and Emotionally Female... Do you consider that Les, Bi, Or Straight?
Definitions: Girls Love[A story or plot featuring Love Between Women as a plot point] Boys Love[ The opposite of Girls Love] Bisexual[ One who cares not for gender in matters of sex] These do not preclude one another, and a story could contain all three easily. You got a gay couple, Lesbian couple, and one little Bisexual bouncing with one of each, BAM! Youve hit all three tags.
Next you'll be claiming the manga: My wife is a man Isn't really a BL story because its all comedy and no perversion... Or the manga: Brogirl isnt a straight Romantic Comedy because the female lead was originally a dude, Or the manga: Onii-chan is done for( or finished... multiple translation possibilities) ISNT A Slice of life with a yuri subplot, because the MC is a Guy that got turned into a little girl after his imouto drugged him... (you may have noticed im a fan of the GB tag)
My point? Gender doesn't matter... so the MC goes Bi, Her lovers are still lesbians, Girls Love still fits. Also, Futa is stupid, Its not hard to write Lesbian s*x Scenes, or any s*x scene for that matter, but sometimes you run out of things to call parts, or get bored and want a slight change, And end up with Fur-Biscuit and Kings-Iron with no idea HOW you got there from Vagina and Penis, Then draw a complete blank, combine two characters into one, and BAM! Futa sex... It happens. then you bring in tentacles, and centaurs, and slimes, and suddenly its a lovecraftian Orgy hosted by Cthulu and Dagon, but nobody has any orifices anymore, and then everything just explodes...
@Darkakuahebi being bisexual is being bisexual. You aren't a bisexual lesbian or bisexual straight depending on who you're dating, you're bisexual.
If the protagonist of a GL story (which, just so we're clear here, 'Girls Love' is a genre tag, not a content tag like 'girls love subplot') is dating a woman and happens to be Bi, that's cool, but if the protagonist is Bi and dating a guy, that's not GL, and we certainly aren't talking about side characters here. And while yes in the broader scope there are GL/Yuri stories that have (main) hetero relationships in them, they generally fall into three caregories. Hindsight, Failing/Falling apart, and Cheating. I don't like that last category because it's often fetishy and gross.
Trans women are women, trans men are men, that's not a gotcha. If your argument for those manga you listed is "They aren't trans they're just a man/woman who lives as and thinks they are a woman/man", boy have I got news for you.
Snakes mate by instinct because they are driven by instinct like most animals, they aren't sapient. Lamias, evidently, ARE sapient, so I struggle to see how that's even an argument. There are also many documented examples of homosexuality in the animal world, not in passing either, the 'mate for life' kind.
Tl:dr; Yes, bisexual protagonists exist and are completely valid, but the vast majority don't come to the GL tag going "oh boy I hope she ends up with a guy", even if we're talking 1-in-20 in a harem.
Anyway, you're right, this IS an old argument, thanks for reminding me I had it, and why I'll never be interested in this story.
Don't expect further response, I have no interest in furthering this
@RaelDeer ok, but you misunderstood my comment... i was mostly agreeing with you.
Except on the Bisexual protag having no place in a GL novel. And that Lamias are, while sapient, Still snakes... breeding frenzies happen.
and i never said Bisexual straight/lesbian... i said, if a bisexual woman was with a woman And a man, the partners are still lesbian/Straight... just dating a Bi.
And yes, Futanari is an easy out for those who have no idea how a womans body works.
@Darkakuahebi while I said I wouldn't comment further... I never said Bisexual protagonists have no place in GL, or any other genre for that matter. What I am saying doesn't belong in GL specifically in relation to the MAIN CHARACTER, is a m/f pairing, or m/f/f, or m/f/f/f/etc/etc and so on. The issue is not the protagonist, it's the dude. Unless the point of the dude is for him to become redundant, he does not belong.
@RaelDeer Or eventually genderswapped... or as a device to add eventual children to the plot... plot device... Theres a lot of uses for such a character... And honestly, refusing to read something because you disagree with its placement under certain genre tags, because of a single character/plot point just limits yourself. You can miss out on some great content that way. But hell, To each Their own.
@TheMangaGod Agreed 💯👍 my friend i love the bi tag you have my respect
I am of the gl if girls only crowd. This is harem defined by tags.
Interesting premise, but as i came for pure gl ... ty but unfortunately i am out
@LazyFloof Understandable, have a nice day.